Facing our frailties: 10-17/18-09
A realistic hope: 10-20-09

Saving Curious George: 10-19-09

If your children and grandchildren are like mine, they have loved the stories of "Curious George," the little brown monkey who always seemed to be in some kind of trouble.

CuriousGeorge

I had never paid much attention to the creators of this character, even though -- in good journalist style -- whenever I read a book to my grandchildren now I always begin with the author's name and I tell them, "Always read bylines."

At any rate, it turns out that the creators of Curious George, Margret and H.A. Rey, were Jews in France who managed to escape Paris in June 1940 as it was being invaded by the Germans.

Their story is told in the 2005 book, The Journey that Saved Curious George, by Louise Borden, and that book now is the basis of a new exhibit that will be on display in the Kansas City area starting Wednesday. It's being sponsored by the Midwest Center for Holocaust Education and will be at the Jewish Community Center Gallery at 5801 W. 115th St. in Overland Park, Kan.

The exhbit link I've given you about the exhibit also details a Nov. 4 talk by Louise Borden and a Nov. 17 celebrity reading panel. It also tells you how to make reservations.

When I was in Poland a couple of years ago doing interviews for my new book, They Were Just People: Stories of Rescue in Poland During the Holocaust, I wrote this column about absence and what is missing because of the Holocaust. Children all over the world are grateful that one of the things not missing is Curious George.

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ANOTHER FALSE GOSPEL

Newt Gingrich again is preaching the gospel of American exceptionalism -- the notion that the United States was, in effect, founded by God. Most of the founders of the U.S. were people of faith. No doubt of that. And many were motivated by religious reasoning. That's to be celebrated. But all of that is far different from claiming that America is God's chosen land, which essentially is the message from Gingrich. That's a dangerous message that, among other bad consequences, leads to worldwide antagonsim toward the U.S. We've got enough of that already, thank you.

Comments

Just Thinking

Where is Newt Gingrich when it comes to condemning those who take American intellectual property and jobs and send them to Godless Communist nations where outspoken Christians can be executed just because they are outspoken Christians?

Where is Newt Gingrinch when it comes to condemning a war that we launched against a Nation based on speculation. And where is Newt Gingrich when it comes to condemning the continual parade of excuses that his party manufactured for keeping us in war, even after we knew that all of our original paranoid-delusional excusions for war were lies? And where is New Gingrich when it comes to condemning torture?

Ahhh, the good old days. That's all we hear from old Republicans these days. They need to retire and step aside so that rational people can take over their party. We don't need to let nostalgic fools reverse the progress that has been made since the 'good old days.' Ahhh, yes, the good old days ... when you could pray in schools ... back when African Americans had to ride at the back of the bus, couldn't share a water fountain with Newt's kind, couldn't share a school with Newt's kids. Ahhh, the good old days when real religion reigned supreme, and entire races of human beings were treated like dirt.

It reminds me of how this Pope has been yearning for the good old days of the Latin mass, with their antisemitic prayers on Good Friday. When the Pope brought back the old Latin mass, it did nothing but bring back so much evil that had perished from the Church since the 'good old days.'

The good old days. It's just not as good as it used to be ... and it NEVER was. When the only good you see is 'old days,' then you should retire.

Just Thinking

Yes, Chuck, publishing private conversations is revealing private information. That's exactly how it works. You are mistaken when you thought differently. And when you deliberately publish private conversations in an attempt to demean, belittle, embarass, harass, etc., then you're doing something that you know is wrong. You've definitely wandered into bad territory there. Even if the law doesn't call it wrong (but it often does), you still *know* its wrong, don't you, Chuck? Did you get permission to report what others said to you in private conversation? And, worse, others involved say that you have *misreported* what was said, too.

When someone attends a private Bible study, such as KCFreeThinkers.org, and then publishes what was said in an effort to demean or embarass someone, then they know they're doing something wrong, too. At least they don't publish names, and they don't involve those who post here either. But they know that what is said in private groups of that type should be kept private. Many Churches have you sign agreements that you will not disclose what is said in such groups, so that you're aware that such disclosures are wrong. Apparently not enough do that, though.

Dolores Lear

Bill:
"Newt Gingrich again is preaching the gospel of American exceptionalism -- the notion that the United States was, in effect, founded by God. - But all of that is far different from claiming that America is God's chosen land,"

I was brought up in the Lutheran Christian Religion, from Birth, to believe America was God's Chosen Land for Protestants also.

That is why some of the Comments from Christians reflect, that was how they were also brought up as a Child.

As far as I know Lutheran Children, are still brought up this Way, whether Republican or Democratic. Phelps and his family, and Southern Baptist Children were brought up this Way.

Christian Religious Humans, usually Southern Baptist Republicans in Texas, and the South, had a movement since 1960s up to 2000 to take Government positions, and bring God back to American Government.

But with the influx of more Citizens of different faiths, having The Christian Protestant Influence in Government is being questioned, and some rituals changed, such as ending Prayer in Government, 'in Jesus' Name, Amen'.

And removing Christian Prayer in Public Citizen functions, but it is still in Congress, the Supreme Court and Presidential Inaugurations.

So how do we Make Christian Controlled USA/America, into an Equal Government for all Citizens, whether Multi-Religions or Atheists?

Is it possible for Protestants to accept a Generic God, for Government, instead of Jesus?

IGGY - www.KCFreeThinkers.org

Christian History Deniers will cry foul when they are told that America is "not" a Christian nation by default/birth and has not been founded on Christian principles - see what the founding fathers said about this in the "Treaty of Tripoli". This is called reality and facts.

In the magic world of irrationality, some can even wrap their brain around "magic dust" of the Holy Ghost guiding the founding fathers - everything in this world has a purpose by God, so you can never go wrong.

This country was founded by "spiritual" but not "religious" folks who "separated" church and state and did not allow the government to tell the church what to do spiritually in return for not interfering in politics. They fought every year against starting the session of congress with a prayer. Jefferson wrote a letter to Baptists in CT talking about the "wall of separation" that is in the constitution.
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Christian History Denier Just Thinking wrote>>>>>>>>>Ahhh, the good old days. That's all we hear from old Republicans these days. They need to retire and step aside so that rational people can take over their party. We don't need to let nostalgic fools reverse the progress that has been made since the 'good old days.' Ahhh, yes, the good old days ... when you could pray in schools ... back when African Americans had to ride at the back of the bus, couldn't share a water fountain with Newt's kind, couldn't share a school with Newt's kids. Ahhh, the good old days when real religion reigned supreme, and entire races of human beings were treated like dirt.

No way! I could not believe a Christian History Denier would right something like this to succinctly express the "shut up, crawl under the rock and die out with your crazy ideas" concept about religion as I see it.

No frigging way! Now, JT, it is pretty clear to me that your delusional beliefs about "respect towards religion" as you see it can be "challenged" and "changed" and "actually" "modified" when it comes to your "pure perception" of religion as you view it if you have this view of "politics".

You only "need" to do a small thing - rise above your particular version of religion like a bird and view it through "bird's eye view"

IGGY - www.KCFreeThinkers.org

Christian History Denier Just Thinking wrote>>>>>>>>And, worse, others involved say that you have *misreported* what was said, too.

Who is "others?" - this surely implies "more than one person?" - apparently, someone other than the Glorious Leader and Master Debater James Christensen.

So, "others involved" say different? Please, state who? - of course, not the atheists who have "misreported" what was stated with the "Chuck Lunney" slant, so there have to be "others" besides James Christensen who say that?

There was Cole, Greg, Chuck, James Christensen and me at the table? Who are those "others?" ???

The only "beings" who could have been there are and had an intimate knowledge of the conversation is "Holy Ghost", "Space Alien Yahwheh", and android Jebus. Unless of course, you'll claim there was someone sitting next to us and carefully listening throughout the some 2 hours chat we had?

Come on, grow a brain, Just Thinking...

Become a true "Legal Eagle" as you can be, don't be a "Legal Parrot"

Chuck Lunney

JT wrote: "publishing private conversations is revealing private information. That's exactly how it works. You are mistaken when you thought differently."

It wasn't a "private conversation", JT. It was a public gathering in a public location with no expectation of privacy. Add to that the fact that it was mentioned several times TO THE LAWYER that the things we talked about would be written about on this blog and possibly elsewhere on the internet.

Therefore, it was NOT a "private conversation". Therefore, YOU are wrong. 100% and without doubt. (but since you weren't there, how would you know what was said or not said?)

JT wrote: "And when you deliberately publish private conversations in an attempt to demean, belittle, embarass, harass, etc., then you're doing something that you know is wrong. You've definitely wandered into bad territory there. Even if the law doesn't call it wrong (but it often does), you still *know* its wrong, don't you, Chuck? Did you get permission to report what others said to you in private conversation? And, worse, others involved say that you have *misreported* what was said, too."

1) It wasn't "private" (see above)
2) It wasn't wrong -- Jim showed up, had no issue with the topics and conversation, and didn't ask for anyone not to report any of the discussion.
3) Permission was given, by Jim himself.
4) As you weren't there, it is simply a case of two conflicting reports. As it stands, the only people who have any credibility in such matters are those who were actually present (of which, we've got three here reporting on it). The others (Will, Adam and you) are using HEARSAY. Last time I checked, that wasn't considered to be credible.

Given the history of lying, insulting, attacking and whining from Will and Adam, do you really think that they should be considered "credible" sources for reporting on a discussion where they weren't even present? Why accept their hearsay, and dismiss the reports from individuals who WERE there?

Once again, that log seems to be interfering with your vision.

Dolores Lear

I have posted about the Ice Canopy that formed at Colonization, from the Water Element that went above the Firmament/Atmosphere.

The Noah/Atlantis High Tech Pollution caused the Yearlong Planetary Flood, in Genesis 7,8,9.

When the windows of Heaven opened, during the Flood, this Ice fell near Central America, broke the One Land area into Two major parts, and sank. The Myth of Atlantis broke in two parts and sank.

The Original land Mass is divided by the Arctic and Atlantis Ocean. The Crash of the Ice Tilted the Axis, which settled at the two New Poles. With our Pollution today, the Ice is melting and the seas are rising, which could flood many cities build near the Oceans.

http://www.kmbc.com/news/21330760/detail.html

Humans cannot stop their Pollution, nor demolish the Nuclear Bombs on Land and Sea.

Genesis 6:5. KJV. "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." (Before the Flood)

We are in the same shape today, as the High Tech Noah/Atlantis Society. What are the Plans for Planet Earth now? Few Humans were Saved.

Before the Planetary Fire, Will most Humans Die and Go to Heaven, from a Nuclear 'Arm'ageddon?

Will God/Us, Our High Tech Ancestors that Colonized Earth, Save those that Remain before the Planetary Fire, like Religion portrays the Rapture of those Saved?

Eternal Life, Literally. is for a Controlled Limit of High Tech Purebred Born Humans, with High Tech Spaceships to Escape Alive, their Planet, Solar System, Galaxy, or Universe, when it Dies.

This is 'Literal' Human Eternal Physical Life After Birth, on Planets and in Spaceships.

Chuck Lunney

You're all invited to meet and discuss Dawkins' latest book, The Greatest Show on Earth, at Borders cafe (91st and Metcalf) on Sunday evening from 7:00-9:00. Of course, given the past history of such gatherings, I doubt we'll be able to stay focused on the book for very long, but it should be a fun and entertaining evening.

Of course, I expect Will, Adam and JT to "run away". But if they want to pass on the invitation to Jim, it would be appreciated.

And Bill - I know you read the comments -- you're invited too! I'd love to meet you in person.

memberofKCFreeThinkers.org

It doesn’t matter if our forefathers were religious or not. What matters is where we are now. If we don’t move forward we are moving nowhere. We learn about past mistakes and move on for a better world.

It is beyond me how grown people do not question the bible. I questioned it as a young person.

So many interpretations. 34,000 sects of Xs.

Why are so many superstitious? Is that in our nature? Why are so many against naturalism?

Curious George? Well, I am certainly curious why people think the way they do. Why is supernaturalism so important. Is life so bad we have to make up another world to escape from this natural world. The only one we have…?

Supernaturalism holds us back.

Robert Green Ingersoll (1833-1899)

If there be an infinite Being, he does not need our help -- we need not waste our energies in his defense.

Who can over estimate the progress of the world if all the money wasted in superstition could be used to enlighten, elevate and civilize mankind?

Peace For the Sake of Goodness Cole

Just Thinking

Chuck,

We all understand how you feel when you wrote this, "If you haven't noticed -- I'm done being polite and civil to you two." You're blaming others for *your* bad behavior, behavior which *you* know is bad!!! Duuuuuh.

Apparently you have the mistaken notion that you are allowed to act exactly as you want if you can manufacture any convenient excuse. Well, Chuck, it doesn't work that way. And you are WRONG. Your behavior is WRONG. Your thinking is WRONG. Your attitudes are WRONG. It's very simple to understand, Chuck.

And here's the thing, Chuck: you *knew* it is wrong. Why? Because you offered excuses for what you were about to do. You don't get off the hook on doing what you *knew* was wrong by writing legal briefs in this blog. That's how legalists work, and legalism can justify just about anything that way ... even when they *know* what they are doing is wrong.

You already admitted that you *knew* what you were about to do was wrong, and that you didn't care what others thought. That's how abusers work--they blame their victims. So, you've made it to step one, which is to admit that you were wrong. Step two is repentance. Just turn from it, Chuck, before it consumes you, as we can already see it doing.

IGGY - www.KCFreeThinkers.org

Community of Reason - Program Reminder for Sunday, Oct 25th, 2009

1 p.m. "Freedom of Religious Expression"
Dan Winter, Executive Director of ACLU of Kansas and Western Missouri

The discussion includes KCMO City Council's recent repeal of the ordinance against picketing of funerals.

This program is dedicated to the memory of Woody Williams, a local freethought leader.

LOCATION: COR Sunday Program location - Room 301, Haag Hall (northwest corner of 52nd & Rockhill Road), University of Missouri at Kansas City (Park on level 4 of the parking structure south, across the street; 3rd floor of Haag is accessed directly through overhead walkway.)

adam harrison

Chuck Lunney is misreporting about Jim again.

He did not "give permission" in the way Chuck describes it. He did say you could post what you wanted about HIM, but NOT about others, and he specifically mentioned that he was tired of relatives being smeared on this blog.

YOU KNOW THIS Chuck.

Chuck's Quote Mining of the conversation is, therefore, simply an attempt to demean us and embarrass Jim...in a "guile by association" tactic.

And this is all part of a pattern; your pal came on this blog in an attempt to shut it down and although you tried to distance yourself from him on THIS blog Jim reports that you and Iggy, Cole and Greg are all apparently good buddies.

And you all are saying the same thing;

To wit:

1. Iggy tells believers to SHUT UP and DIE.

2. Cole tells believers to SHUT UP and has "suggested" that JT quit posting.

3. Chuck has called for our banning, and supposedly his buddies, but we know that is a sham from the above information.

So, the COMMON FACTOR is that all of the aforementioned athiests and FREEthinkers want US to SHUT UP.

Chuck, you can say we are not credible, but it is demonstrably true that YOU certainly are not.

adam harrison

About your invitation Chuck.

First, we will not be passing anything on to anybody. We are not your errand boys. If you want to invite Jim, call him. He might have some things to say to you. LOL!

Second, as to our attendance, here's the way I see it.

1. If we don't show up, you will call us names; "cowards", "fools", etc.

2. If we do show up, you will still call us names; just perhaps different ones as you Quote Mine WHATEVER we say.

Further, Sunday is a study night, although you will of course pretend not to understand that or call it an excuse.

So, I don't think I will show. Am I "chicken"? You will of course say that, but what is the UPSIDE as opposed to the Downside?

If I show, someone will get my picture (one of your pals has repeatedly bragged about photographing and tracking people), pictures of my car when I leave (license plate and all) and have all the identifying info they need to smear me.

Then...and this is hypothetical...lets say I apply to a professional school or a high level job and my name shows up associated with the swill here. (OR POSTED ELSEWHERE ON THE INTERNET USING MY NAME...this is just HYPOTHETICAL mind you.)

What's in it for me?

A brilliant conversation with you or the likes of Iggy? Hahahahaha! I have read your columns, I have read your posts...there is nothing particularly insightful that you have to say that is worth it to me.

Tell you what, why don't you just say you met me somewhere and report what you want?

trapblock

Our country's forefathers knew that a democracy will function properly if and only if there is no ambiguity about the essential moral structure of the society. And so, Natural Law was given it's rightful place in our constitution. Natural Law, “present in the heart of each man and established by reason.” This law “is universal in its precepts and its authority extends to all men. It expresses the dignity of the person and determines the basis for his fundamental rights and duties.”

The further away we drift from morality, the closer we drift towards enslavement. C.S. Lewis wrote, "The very idea of freedom presupposes some objective moral law which overarches rulers and ruled alike. Subjectivism about values is eternally incompatible with democracy. We and our rulers are of one kind only so long as we are subject to one law. But if there is no Law of Nature, the ethos of any society is the creation of its rulers, educators and conditioners; and every creator stands above and outside his own creation."

"There is not in all America a more dangerous trait than the deification of mere smartness unaccompanied by any sense of moral responsibility."
Theodore Roosevelt

adam harrison

Oh, and Chucky, I notice you say you have THREE reporting on your version of events at the Borders meeting.

You are not seriously pretending that your "witnesses" have any credibility are you?

You know, the ones who call people all kinds of names and tell them to SHUT UP and admit making up stories to area ministers?

You GOTTA BE KIDDIN ME, SPORT!

Susan

Bill, I'm sure glad that Margret and H.A. Rey survived the Holocaust and went on to write the Curious George books. Those books are absolutely timeless! Of course, I'm glad the Reys survived anyway, for all the millions of ways each life touches other lives in unnoticed ways.

Your essay about absence was powerful. Mostly because absence encompasses all the relationships, births, creations and happenings we will never know about. We get a sense of this every time we read/watch one of those stories where people go back in the past and accidentally change stuff they never intended to change. They come back and their own lives are very different -- people they were close to never got born.

From last night -- Red Biddy, I think I did get your point about the quote from Elie Wiesel -- I just see it somewhat differently than you do, being as I still believe in a loving, all-knowing God no matter what happens. This doesn't mean that I have an answer for Elie Wiesel, or any of the other people who lived through those horrendous times. All I can do is seek God in the midst of my own suffering, which admittedly seems rather paltry held up against the horrors endured by Elie Wiesel and others.

I honestly wouldn't know what to say to people who've lived through that -- but I believe they will meet God and He will be the Answer they need. As for me, I think it's just my place to say that I'm so sorry it ever happened -- half my ancestry is German so if they hadn't come over here (to the Missouri "German belt") shortly before the Civil War -- maybe I would have been one of those German people who had to choose between protecting "me and mine" and doing the right and human thing.

Sadly, from what I've heard, it sounds like there were a lot fewer heroic Germans, than there were heroic Poles or Danes or Dutch. Not exactly a legacy to be proud of, though my mom taught me to make an awesome potato salad if you like that sort of thing.

IGGY - www.KCFreeThinkers.org

If you are a Christian who believes in Rapture and have pets, please, take notice.

A few atheists in Kansas City are starting a "Rapture Pets" service to take care of pets when Rapture happens, righteous Christians are taken up in heaven and we atheists are left behind.

I've already placed phone calls today to 3 churches and talked to the pastors/ministers. There appears to be interest in the concept and I plan on going to visit in person with the pastors and also boards of Trustees as well as regular services at the churches to pass around fliers and talk to the church goers.

One of the pastors was very intrigued personally and I'll be visiting with him more about the details next week. He has two dogs and would like to see them not suffer and die painful death during the troubled times of Rapture.

We will be contacting local vets, TV, radio stations, newspapers and magazines to promote the idea.

So, if any of you are anticipating Rapture and you know you'll be taken up during this time, please, think about your animals who will suffer and may die painful death of starvation, thirst and neglect while the Tribulation times are happening.

The plans offered will be flexible depending on the number of pets, kind of pets, on the assets of the people who will be Raptured and will be willing to assign their homes, cars, bank accounts, IRA's, stocks/bonds, retirement etc. to us.

We may have a yearly fee, multiple pets discounts or not depending on the situation of each individual. If a church decides to assign their whole building to us for the purposes of turning it into shelter or selling it during Rapture to support animals every memeber of that church will be offered this service for free and a special name tag will be created for the pets with instructions engraved on the tag to contact us in case of rapture or if animal runs away and found. There will be NO PRE-EXISTING MEDICAL CONDITIONS FOR THE ANIMALS.

If you are interested, please, e-mail [email protected] or pass on this information to anyone who maybe interested.

Thank you for thinking about your pets!

adam harrison

KCF, have you taken the proper steps to license you business with the STATE OF KANSAS? (chuckle...I certainly hope so!)

Dolores Lear

There is No 'Absence' from Death in a High Tech Reproduced Male and Female Clone Society, like God/Us in Genesis.

They do not Over Reproduce, like the Uncontrolled Body Reproduction Humans do on Earth, or they would also have a Polluted Planet and Death also.

They are Alive in Perfect Human Clone Helpmeet Bodies, and their Society has the High Tech Regeneration for any Body part that develops a problem. They can also Replace a Clone from a Clone.

All Lifestyle Morals are the Same for the whole Society. They have One Planetary Government and All Resources are Shared Equally.

There is No Moral or Physical Preference for Parents, Children, Grandparents, etc., or Inlaws.

All the problems of grief, sorrow, inequality, inhumanity, hate, greed, and all the Human problems from Divided Heterosexual Birth does not happen on their Home Planet or in their Spaceships.

How are Humans on Earth going to function in Spaceship travel, without their families, sex, all types of unhealthy foods, drugs, etc.

The Equal Lifestyle of like Clones Adam and Eve, on a Spaceship, is needed on a Spaceship Planet, or Death is the result like Abel, and All Humans ever since.

What would Humans do on Spaceships with dead bodies? Toss them out into Space to Pollute Space, like Humans have polluted their Planet with their Cemeteries and Dumps?

What would sex do on a Spaceship? Make more people that the Spaceship could support, plus all the personal problems like on Earth?

Our Home Planet went from 1 Billion Humans to 7 Billion Humans in 100 years. We have run out of Space and Pile Humans up in High Rise Buildings.

Many homes and apartments are over populated as well. Besides the Humans living in tents, on boats, etc. Can anyone image the garbage for 7 Bullion humans on one small planet?

There is no Absence from Pollution and Killing on Earth, which should be the Goal of the Living Human Species.

What Happened to make Humans the Killers of our Earth Home? Who Cares?

adam harrison

Susan, I see you have been wondering if you would stand up to the Germans.

Well, you have done nothing to stand up to people who routinely tell believers...all believers, not just us...that they are Psychotic and Delusional, and to SHUT UP/DIE, etc.

So, do you seriously believer you would have stood up to the Nazis?

Alexander the Metal Worker

Adamh/Will Graham, your a freaking broken record with this whole "Cole told me to drop dead" thing...let it go my friend...let it go. It's all you write about anymore. For Pete's sake, he mearly wrote what the rest of us were thinking. You obsession with this incident has progressed into a disorder. Listen buddy, step back; take a few deep breaths; have a beer or two (or three or four) and chill out. What is going on with you?

Will Graham

Alexander/Cole/Iggy...its not that you "told me to drop dead" that is the "thing".

Its that you KEEP telling believers to "drop dead".

And we will "let it go" and quit writing about your threats...
WHEN YOU STOP MAKING THEM.

See how simple it is? LOL!

Alexander the Metal Worker

Will, I'll be honest with you, I haven't been able to find that quote. I'm not saying it wasn't said, but I cannot find it; however even if it were said (which I'm starting to doubt), no rational person would describe this "suggestion" as a "threat" (and no rational person would keep talking about it ad naseum).

Lynne - www.kcfreethinkers.org

Bill, you won't believe this. You heard of mystery shoppers? Well now there are people who pay other people to be mystery visitors in church. There was an online ad in the KC Star saying "get paid to go to church" with this website: https://www.faithperceptions.com/Default.aspx (And no, people, I'm not recommending it!)

I have never heard of such a thing before. Seems like capitalism run amok to me, but what do you church-goers think of the idea that the person in the pew behind you might be a paid "mystery visitor"?

Although I've never been active in a church, I've been active in several non-profit organizations and it seems to me that if you want to know what people think of how you run things, why not just ask them?!

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