Scripture and the gay issue: 9-8-09
What Father Divine taught: 9-10-09

Learning kindness: 9-9-09

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DELAVAN, Ill. -- Faith communities shape the memories of many of us -- sometimes for good, sometimes not.

One of my good memories rooted in faith happened in the sanctuary you see here, which I visited this past Sunday.

This is the Methodist church my Tammeus grandparents attended and the church my uncle and aunt (he's my late father's brother) still attend. Thus, it's the church where the funerals of my grandparents were held -- Grandma's in 1953, Grandpa's in 1960.

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I was eight when Grandma died. And I remember sitting with my maternal grandparents, who lived about 100 miles away in Streator, Ill.

When the service ended, Grandma Tammeus' casket was taken to the back of the sanctuary and opened for people leaving to see. My maternal grandmother, with me at her side, walked up and patted Grandma Tammeus' hands. "Farewell, Kate," she said.

It surprised me. Even shocked me. I didn't know you could or should touch dead people in their caskets. But it was such a sweet thing that I've never forgotten it. It was kindness personified, a sort of kindness that was part of who my maternal grandmother was, but a kindness I always associated with a biblical phrase, "loving kindness."

My maternal grandparents were given weekly lessons about the need for such kindess at their Presbyterian church in Streator. And they lived out those lessons -- so much so that an 8-year-old has never forgotten.

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A BIBLICAL FIND

A fragment of an ancient Bible text has been discovered by accident in Egypt. It's always fascinating to see how few change in the texts there are in such ancient versions. On the whole, the care taken by scribes and translators over the centuries has been remarkable.

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P.S.: Please plan to join me and my co-author, Rabbi Jacques Cukierkorn, at one of the two upcoming (this Thursday and this Sunday) events described here to launch our new book, They Were Just People: Stories of Rescue in Poland During the Holocaust. Rainy Day Books will be there to help you buy a copy and you'll even get to meet some of the people whose remarkable stories we tell in the book. 

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Dolores Lear

Bill:
"A fragment of an ancient Bible text has been discovered by accident in Egypt. It's always fascinating to see how few change in the texts there are in such ancient versions. On the whole, the care taken by scribes and translators over the centuries has been remarkable."

All writings called Religious and Myth, were handed down by past Natural Body Birth Humans, about Supernatural Gods, Goddesses, and Angels.

Most of the Supernatural actions are about the LORD God in Genesis that Created Life on Earth, and Reproduced Human Adam and Eve other than by Body Birth.

Today we have the High Tech to Know Planets can be Colonized by High Tech Humans, but Humans cannot Create Planets. Only GOD can create the Elements of LIFE that make Universes and Planets.

The LORD God, in our Human Image, did Colonize Earth and Reproduced Perfect Humans in their Human Image. They did make the Female from the Male Rib. That is not supernatural today, but High Tech Science.

As Bill said, "On the whole, the care taken by scribes and translators over the centuries has been remarkable."

This Care has only been since the Noah/Atlantis Society caused the Planetary Flood that lasted over 1 year, and wiped the former High Tech Society off the face of the Planet.

A remnant of Humans on different parts of the Planet again began repopulating our Home Planet, and in 1900, there were only 1 Billion Humans.

Since then we have had a Sexual Revolution Population Explosion, and High Tech Science Explosion, that has brought our population to almost 7 Billion Humans, and Toxic Nuclear Pollution and Bombs on land and sea.

Continued.

Dolores Lear

Continue.

It is time to search the Scriptures and Myth with our New High Tech Science, and see it was the High Tech Science of the Noah/Atlantis Society, that caused the Planetary Flood with their Misuse of High Tech as we are today.

Today's Misuse will not cause another Planetary Flood, but will cause the prophesied Planetary Hell Fire. This will finish destroying our Eco System, and Ozone Canopy.
Life as we Know it, cannot continue on a Planet without an Ozone Canopy and Eco System.

Iggy Yesterday:
"Who destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah? The angels or God? Or was it god through angels?
Genesis 19:13
For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it."
"Genesis 19:24
The LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven."

Brimstone is another word for Sulfur. Sulfur is used to make matches and gun powder. But the damage at Sodom and Gomorrah was like our Atomic bombs, used on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki

http://science.howstuffworks.com/nuclear-bomb.htm

Search the Scriptures, saved since the Noah/Atlantis Planetary Disaster, to accept Humans are again, as Evil as they were before the Planetary Flood. The Flood lasted over 1 year in Genesis, not 40 days and nights.

All the Religious Scriptures and Myths, were passed down from the Survivors. It is Time for a High Tech Translation.

As prophesied, Gods Planetary Judgment Day Hell Fire from our Toxic Nuclear Waste and Nuclear Weapons is upon us.

Our High Tech Peace Ancestors, God/Us in Genesis, do not Kill and destroy, Body Birth High Tech Humans do.

IGGY - www.KCFreeThinkers.org

Dan Bayer wrote>>>>>Where does it say God condones having more than one wife??? Every time these men took more than one wife trouble ensued. As I said before these examples showed why NOT to have more than one wife AND to follow our loving Father's rules!

Please, provide verse by verse commentary from god on multiple wives of these characters in your fiction book where he says that multiple wives of these people led to trouble.

If you cannot do so, please, crawl under the rock, shut up and consider that the invisible pink unicorns rules this Milky Galaxy.
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Christian trolls,

Missed you at last night's KS FreeThought group. 15 people or so showed up. I was 1 hour 15 min late, so there may have been others before I came in. Russians have a saying "The word "d.ck" is written on the barn, but there is firewood in it" - the moral of it is - don't be Christian d.cks, come to the Meetups to check the tally for yourself.

There is plastic silverwhere at Scooters we use to cut muffins, also can be used to cut your skull open and have Hannibal Lector clone you a new brain. As an added bonus, we can later reuse it for abortions in my basements and sterilizing those who go on welfare (per post of our own blog grown "a.theist" a few weeks ago).

1. To get welfare you must be sterilized.
2. Thugs will be shot on sight.
Posted by: a.theist | Tuesday, June 23, 2009 at 02:39 PM
http://blogs.kansascity.com/crime_scene/2009/06/2-kcmo-neighborhoods-land-on-national-most-dangerous-list.html

So, Christians, next time you hit hard times and go on welfare, remember, our friendly "a.theist" has this kind of the "theistic" future for you governed by his morals according to the book known "The Holy Bible"

Or instead of sterilization, come to some of our freethinking events, we'll have a good time with your brain and ours - we taste each other brains all the time. It's fun.

IGGY - www.KCFreeThinkers.org

Even though he was always taught that religion and politics shouldn’t be discussed in polite company, Dan Merchant decided someone needed to start the conversation. In his documentary-style film “Lord, Save Us From Your Followers,” which hits theaters nationwide on Sept. 25, Merchant marches around the country asking everyone he meets why what he calls the “Gospel of Love” is dividing the nation. http://www.kansascity.com/255/story/1411679.html

National groups warn Ill. against state infrastructure funding for religious groups
SPRINGFIELD, Ill. (AP) - Illinois should move carefully when awarding $40 million or more in state funds to religious organizations, two national activist groups warned. Americans United for Separation of Church and State and the Anti-Defamation League told state officials that they've identified at least 97 religious organizations that would get the money from the capital construction bill signed into law last month.
http://www.kansascity.com/432/story/1406900.html

Two smaller, more conservative U.S.-based Lutheran denominations are expressing disappointment in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America's decision to open a wider door to gay clergy.
http://www.kansascity.com/432/story/1406900.html

HUD: No religious services in NC subsidized housing
GREENSBORO, N.C. (AP) - The mostly elderly and disabled residents of a North Carolina subsidized housing community are questioning a federal policy that won't allow them to use common spaces for religious activities. A spokeswoman for the housing authority said the practice violates a federal policy that forbids organizations receiving HUD funds from engaging in religious activities.
http://www.kansascity.com/432/story/1406900-p2.html

A Malaysian court charged 12 Muslims with criminal offenses Wednesday for parading a severed cow head to protest the construction of a Hindu temple in a case that stoked religious tensions in this multiethnic country ***** I hope they did not kill a cow just for the event and got it from a slaughter house? Imagine no religion - imagine no problem like this.
http://www.kansascity.com/451/story/1433165.html

A preacher who wants to resume leading the National Baptist Convention USA after serving a prison term for stealing millions of dollars from the denomination has asked a court to stop an upcoming presidential election.
http://www.kansascity.com/432/story/1432687.html

memberofKCFreeThinkers.org

Bill said, “Faith communities shape the memories of many of us -- sometimes for good, sometimes not.”

The two years or so I went to church as some kind of believer – as much as a 10-12 yr old can believe in the invisible unknowable, I only found church to be boring…Listening to the same old songs, same old sermons, same old bible teachers didn’t cut it for me. Sitting that long for a kid was unnatural for me. And the equally boring sports and camps were lacking…I preferred to be out in life. The natural world.

Displaying peoples bodies, so others can have a last look is weird. I remember my family members just fine without practicing ancient bronze-age rituals. This preoccupation with death, I believe, is not healthy.

Can anyone imagine how much good can be done with these billions of dollars if we canceled this ridiculous custom. I suppose there wouldn’t be much closure in that, Huh? People are just weaker than I had hoped for.

Just maybe if we taught children to be strong and use common sense we would be stronger and have more fun in life than spend this much time on DEATH.

A BIBLICAL FIND

They can find every last piece of the biblical writings for all I care. This proves nothing except PEOPLE write words. This doesn’t prove the X god exists anymore than all the other millions of myth writings they dig up.

Perhaps some day they will dig up a note that says,

“PS It’s all a joke! Go live life!”

This is more probable than the existence of sky daddy.

Peace For the Sake of Goodness Cole

memberofKCFreeThinkers.org

16 showed, maybe more at our meetup tonight: Not bad seeing a yr ago June there was 4 of us. Should have been there Will G./ adam. Maybe you could learn to be fair and think outside the box.

Tag team member, a theist said, “Will, Followed the link and that is a bit scary. It's on their website as 3 and iggy claims 20. What gives?”

What gives? Your god gives us our divine plan. We atheist are just following it. Not just Iggy claims it, but I know it to be a fact, like evolution. Join us sometime and see for yourself.

Fabricating as you two do is the same as lying…a sin. Where did your god come from? Mindless processes? I’ll give you a clue: hydrogen, oxygen and carbon. Then after some mixing and stirring of a few other ingredients “WA LA” - your brain…where your god came from. Mindless processes!

We have some real fun coming up soon Xs. Let you know when I get conformation…

Will G. accuses me of lying, “So, were you lying then or are you lying now?”

Show up at one of our meetups and find out for yourself. Chicken? I’ll show at one of your bible studies.

Will G. or adam, my answer to visiting mosques is in this next video. Right now Xs, in this country, America, is what I am concerned with because they are the major cause of unfairness. Oh, by the way, I have had conversations with muslims and have told them they are as wrong as Xs. I don’t care if you believe me or not. Pray to god/jesus and he will tell you this. continued

memberofKCFreeThinkers.org

continued
Adam said, “According to the meetup link KCF provided above, THREE people showed up last time, not TWENTY.
Somebody's fibbing!”.

There are always more that show up than reply, adam. For the past few months, 15 to 21 have been showing at a lot of our meetups. Come and see for yourself instead of fabricating… Chicken?

Will G. or adam, my answer to visiting mosques is in this next video. Right now Xs, in this country, America, is what I am concerned with because they are the major cause of unfairness. Oh, by the way, I have had conversations with muslims and have told them they are as wrong as Xs. I don’t care if you believe me or not. Pray to god/jesus and he will tell you this.

NonStampCollector ANSWERS (and teaches apostrophes)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kieMunGsRDo

Peace For the Sake of Goodness Cole

IGGY - www.KCFreeThinkers.org

Cole wrote>>>>>>>>Will G. accuses me of lying, “So, were you lying then or are you lying now?”

Will G is using an old attorney's trick in a court room - "Mr. Morgan, did you stop beating your wife yesterday or were you planning on telling us now when you are going to stop it?"
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For Christians to ponder...

"Imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in - an interesting hole I find myself in - fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it'." ~ Douglas Adams

"Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful, without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?" ~ Douglas Adams
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A federal appeals panel has upheld a decision to bar the instrumental performance of a Christian hymn at a high school graduation in Everett, Wash. - I am glad children are being taught by the system the basics of civil structure of this country. Too bad, a lot of time and money could have been saved if they actually just went to social studies teacher and asked the teacher for repeat of class on separation of church and state.
http://www.kansascity.com/440/story/1432039.html

A Sudanese woman journalist convicted of public indecency for wearing trousers outdoors was freed Tuesday, despite her own desire to serve a month in prison as protest against Sudan's draconian morality laws.
http://www.kansascity.com/451/story/1430845.html

A man isn't entitled to use Arizona's religious-freedom law to overturn his conviction for possessing marijuana while driving, the state Supreme Court ruled Tuesday.
http://www.kansascity.com/440/story/1432198.html

The parents of a 16-year-old Kentucky football player who was baptized along with some teammates during a trip organized by their coach said Tuesday they believe their son may have felt some pressure to go through with the ceremony. ***** I wonder if the kid can get "debaptized?" - Brother Sam Singleton issued certiicates of "debaptising" when he was in Kansas City a couple of weeks ago with sprinkling of some dust and offiially looking certificate on nicely embossed paper. Cole got one, I did not as I was never baptized.
http://www.kansascity.com/440/story/1431501.html

Dolores Lear

What is 'loving kindness', for most Humans on Earth? Is Loving Kindness, Something that comes from Space?

http://www.thepeopleofearthapologize.com/apologies.htm

People on this site, apologize for how we have Taken Care of our Home Planet. Do they accept there is Life out there? Who are they apologizing to? God? Our Space Brothers/Sisters of Life?

Is it time to add Colonization to the Polls of Earth Humans, on the Way Life began on Earth along with Creation, and Evolution. High Tech Colonization should be in the mix if people think there is also Life in Space.

Genesis records that God/Us, Humans in our Image, began Life on Earth, and Reproduced the Female from the Male Rib. We do Know about this High Tech today.

God the Person in the Human Image, male and female in Genesis, Colonized Earth and is still Alive in Space. Jesus a Person in the Image of God, is with them also.

Why not consider High Tech Colonization as a viable Way Life began on Earth, since Evolution became part of the mix in the 1800s? Colonization became part of the mix in the 1900s.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_publi.htm

Our Science was up to Colonization Knowledge in the 1940s-1980s. If we accept it was Humans that Colonized Earth, would Humans be better Care Takers of Earth, than believing God Created Life on Earth?

Do we expect God, with Loving Kindness, to Take Care of Us and our Planet? God is a 'Person' in the Christian Religion, like Jesus. God the Person Colonized Earth and is still Alive in Space.

Why do Human want to Kill Each Other and their Planet with with, General Pollution, Toxic Pollution, and Nuclear Bombs, and War, instead of using those Resources for taking Care of Each Other and our Home Planet?

adam harrison

So if 15/20, how every many show up, why does COLE MORGAN report that "3" showed up last month?

Which one is the lie?

A simple question.

adam harrison

Matthew 19:4-8 provides the answer as to how many wives one should have.

The dismissal, or disregard, of this standard is not the same as saying there is no standard.

Quite, simple, really.

adam harrison

On the issue of STERILIZATION one of the most famous advocates of the practice was the ATHEIST SUPREME COURT JUSTICE Oliver Wendell Holmes.

In Buck v Bell he famously state: "Three generations of imbeciles are enough." to justify the forced sterilization of a young black woman.

Thousands suffered as a result of his decision.

Dolores Lear

adamh:
"Matthew 19:4-8 provides the answer as to how many wives one should have."

"Matthew 19:4,5. "And he answered and said unto them. Have ye not read, that he which made then at the beginning made them male and female.

The Humans God/Us reproduced, were male and female clones, not Mates, and they were not reproduced by Body Birth.

God/Us made Clone Male and Female Humans, in a High Tech Lab, and they should not Reproduce by Body Birth. God/Us are the Producers in that High Tech Society.

Matthew 19:5. " And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh"

The One Flesh that Clones have, is Body and Soul, they are not a Child. Body Birth Humans make a child when they cleave, and sometime two or more.

Matthew 19:6. "Wherefore they are no more twain, but flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder."

What GOD joins together in the female womb, man should not put asunder in abortion, nor Killing and War After Birth. Man should not put asunder the twain that becomes flesh.

GOD also joins the Humans God/Us make in a High Tech Womb. And no Abortion or Killing is involved with the Male and Female Clone Equal Lifestyle.

No Human can join the egg and sperm together to make Life unless it is in the High Tech Lab Womb or the female womb.

But the female womb was off limits to the Adam and Eve Colony. Why did they Sin and start making Children? Humans have put asunder each other ever since.

This passage was written or translated by someone that did not Know the High Tech in Genesis 1,2. and that Humans could be Reproduced by High Tech Science, like the Adam and Eve Colony.

adam harrison

More on the sterilization issue, supported by the ATHEIST Supreme Court Justice, Oliver Wendell Holmes.

http://www.hsl.virginia.edu/historical/eugenics/

adam harrison

I notice that our little Russian immigrant friend, in his earlier post, is now telling Christians to crawl under a rock and SHUT UP!

This is an improvement!

He was telling Christians to crawl under a rock and DIE, but we SHAMED him into giving that up.

Of course, he knows his tactics will fail, just like they failed in the country he came from; you know, the atheist paradise that was so wonderful that he could not wait to get the hell out and to Overland Park, Kansas! Hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!1

a.theist

Cole wrote -

"Tag team member, a theist said, “Will, Followed the link and that is a bit scary. It's on their website as 3 and iggy claims 20. What gives?”

"What gives? Your god gives us our divine plan. We atheist are just following it. Not just Iggy claims it, but I know it to be a fact, like evolution. Join us sometime and see for yourself."

If we show up, would this be the kind of well reasoned 'brain tasting' we would experience? Again Cole I cannot fully express my contempt for you and iggy because Bill won't post it, but suffice it to say that NO rational person would attend to be abused by you two.

Oh and what did you think of the letter I emailed you??

Will Graham

I am impressed by one of the most outstanding comments I have seen by an atheist on this board!!!

Take a look at KCF's 7:28 am post!

Read what he fantasizes about doing with the plastic silverware at Scooters!

Aren't you proud?

Its so great, I am going to use in on dozens and dozens of sites as an example of the state of atheism in Kansas City.

I hope he is proud too! I am sure that if he has a wife and kids they would also be proud!

I don't think it can get better than this! LOL!

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