What's ahead/behind in faith: 7-24-09
What do clergy do? 7-27-09

Remember the King James Version: 7-25/26-09

This weekend I'm going to take you back a bit in history to say a few words about Bible translations and the need for good, modern versions.


Why this weekend? Well, it was on July 26, 1603, that King James VI of Scotland became King James I of England, and it was James I who sponsored the English Bible translation published in 1611 that we still know today as the King James Version (KJV).

If, like me, you are past age 60 and a Protestant Christian, it's likely that you grew up using the King James Version -- at least before the complete Revised Standard Version was issued in 1952 (and it took a few years for the RSV to move into most Protestant churches). In fact, some churches that would describe themselves as evangelical or conservative never did adopt the RSV and insist that the KJV is the only truly authentic Bible.

I frankly don't understand that argument, given that the manuscripts now available to translators are much better and older, in the main, that those available to the KJV translation team, but to each his own.

Much of the impetus for Bibles published in modern-language versions came from the Protestant Reformation of the 16th century. The reformers believed the Bible should be available to everyone, not just clergy and scholars. And they pushed to get translations done in local languages. But even before the Reformation, John Wycliffe in the latter part of the 14th century became the first translator of the whole Bible into English. Today, in fact, there's a Wycliffe Bible translation organization named after him.

Well, the KJV -- with its soaring poetry -- served well for a long time, but as the authors of So Many Versions? note, to the average person today "the language of the KJV seems strange and foreign." So lots of versions have come out in the last 50 years, and I collect them.

I use a New International Version study Bible, though I find it has a number of drawbacks. I also am quite fond of the New Living Translation, despite its odd and annoying anachronisms, such as assuming there was a Christianity when Paul began writing his epistles. In the pews of my church you will find the New Revised Standard Version, which is the widely accepted translation among Mainline churches.

But whatever version is used, the idea is to be able to study the Bible with people who can help you understand what its writers meant, which means doing serious exegetical work to know when it was written, to whom, under what circumstances and to know what words meant then as opposed to what we might mean by them today. Chrisitans also would say that to understand the Bible and its message, it needs to be read with the illumination of the Holy Spirit.

So hats (crowns?) off to old King James this weekend. In his honor, you might want to dig out your old KJV and read parts perhaps familiar from your childhood (or that you heard your grandparents read aloud).

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Pope Benedict XVI, with his wrist still in a cast because of a break, just delivered a homily without notes, this report says. That's certainly much better than some sermons I've heard that were delivered without points.


adam harrison

Good for Pope Benedict, Bill.

Still, it going to be hard to match the accomplishment of John Paul II, who, by his return to Poland in 1979 (which had been brutally oppressed by the Officially atheistic Communist Regime for decades, despite what atheists like Red Biddy or their collaborators like Susan continue to pretend) started the landslide which led to the destruction of the Officially atheistic regimes of Eastern Europe and even the Soviet Union.


It was God versus the atheists. God won.

adam harrison

On the other side of the world, where Officially Atheistic Governments are still in power, for now, they have shown they are still willing to publically execute Christians and torture others.

Of course, this is just a few more to add to the total of the MILLIONS they have already tried to eliminate.

I have not noticed that atheists are willing to renounce killing to support their beliefs, whether it is to support "the right to choose" or the power of the state.


adam harrison

The media is going to pretend that the recent execution of a Christian by the Atheistic North Korean state is a new thing, or an exception.

But in fact, as this article from 2000 shows, it has been going on for years. The "New Atheists" know this, but will pretend they didn't. That is not even Willful Igorance, it is outright dishonesty, much like Red Biddy and her collaborator trying to pretend that the Atheistic Party in control of Poland in the early sixties tried to help the church.



Acts 11:26
"and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. For a whole year they met with the church and taught a great many people. And in Antioch the disciples were first called Christians."

1st Thessolians 2: 14-16

"For you, brothers, became imitators of the churches of God in Christ Jesus that are in Judea. For you suffered the same things from your own countrymen as they did from the Jews, who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove us out, and displease God and oppose all mankind
by hindering us from speaking to the Gentiles that they might be saved---so as always to fill up the measure of their sins. But God's wrath has come upon them at last!"

I'm not sure why it irritates Bill to think that Paul and the disciples were Christians. Jewish people can be Christians, too. There's no doubt that Paul thought of himself as a Christian, not a Jew. He changed his name from Saul to Paul to mark the transition. Paul's comments in Thessaloians indicate clearly he certainly no longer thought of himself as a Jew, whom he says killed Jesus, displeased God and, as a result, are now under God's wrath.


Bill, I agree with you that modern translators now have older and better manuscripts to work with. It was very interesting to me to read "What the Bible Really Says About Homosexuality" by Daniel A. Helminiak, and learn about the liberties that were taken by translators to promote their heterosexual agenda.

From the last two days: Will and adamh you guys are priceless! On Thursday adamh wrote a scathing post about Red Biddy accusing her of dishonesty. On Friday Red Biddy provided evidence to back her report. Then Will responded by continuing to accuse Red Biddy of dishonesty, and excusing adamh's dishonesty by talking about Iggy's posts.

You fruitloops never learn, do you! In your eagerness to "expose" and hurl accusations at people you disagree with, you don't stop to check your facts. Of course, most of your accusations are about stuff that can't be proved or disproved. I.e., Will's recent accusation that everyone is laughing about Iggy's posts. What proof do you have that everyone is laughing -- and anyway how can anyone prove that they don't find someone else's posts amusing?

I suppose one of you will now say that the proof is in us not "denouncing" Iggy. And if it's brought to your attention that both Red Biddy and I have criticized some of Iggy's posts, I suppose you'll say that we don't bother to criticize his "Christian brain" posts every. single. time he makes them. Or that we don't disagree with him as much as we disagree with you. Or that we don't really think what we say we think. What can I say -- you guys are just too loopy for words ...


More about the Bible ... I just watched a Mr. Deity video about the Biblical practice of stoning women if they don't provide "proof of virtue" on their wedding night. It really gets you thinking, especially now that I think most of us are aware that not all women visibly bleed the first time they have sex.

I once had a gynecologist tell me that there are variations in female anatomy and postitioning of the hymen: she said she has even examined women who were visibly pregnant, whose hymens were still completely intact! I presume their hymens were probably broken during childbirth, if they gave birth vaginally -- but it doesn't seem likely that they bled the first time they had sex.

It sounds like in spite of how much Will or adamh complain about U.S. law being more complicated than Biblical law -- at least U.S. law allowed these women to live! I'll take our complexity over the simplicity of stoning any day of the week!

That Mr. Deity Video has a really long link, so instead of me copying it here, I'll just tell you that if you google "Mr. Deity and the Virgin," I think you can find it pretty easily if you want to watch it. It really makes you wonder about the people who insist that every jot and tittle is straight from God.

Here's an interesting article on a survey about spiritual differences between heterosexuals and homosexuals in the K.C. Star --



Bill, about Bible translations, I forgot to add that I think one reason why some conservatives want to stick with the old KJV translation, and aren't willing to trust any newer ones, is that they don't want any new liguistic discoveries to rock their boat. There tends to be a belief that God has completely overseen the translation, and has not allowed any significant inaccuracies to creep in.

So modern translators claiming to have better tools to work with, are sometimes mistrusted and seen as having liberal agendas. For some people, tradition is more important than the truth.

adamh, again, you are priceless! Where is the proof for your accusation this morning that Red Biddy and her "collaberator" (I suppose you are referring to me here) are trying to pretend that the Communist government in Poland was trying to help the Church?!! All Red Biddy said was that churches were being reconstructed all over Warsaw while people were waiting on desperately needed housing!

This probably wasn't out of a desire to help the church -- but rather, as Iggy and Red Biddy have already pointed out, it seems like more of a political move. Is there no end to your loopiness, adamh?!

adam harrison

My My, Susan! Do I see some namecalling in your 8:04 post? You sound a little upset!

But proof of Red Biddy's dishonest attempt to portray the atheistic controlling parties of Poland in the era she was talking about has been provided twice, and you have ignored it.

Here, I will help you out; take a look at this Wall Street Journal article describing what the atheistic party tried to do in Poland and how John Paul II helped BRING THEM DOWN!


In the meantime, you can keep presenting outstanding, unbiased scholars like Mr. Diety! Hahahahahaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!

(By the way Susan, secular US Law, both state and federal, provides plenty of provisions for the DEATH PENALTY.)


But to add to what I was saying about Bible translations: I really didn't mean to sound like I was advocating "blind trust" in any tranlation, old or new.

The complicated thing when discussing fundamentalist Christian approaches to Scripture, though, is that there tends to be this mantra of "God said it. I believe it. That settles it" -- which kind of implies blind adherence to whatever translation they've decided they can "trust."

I really don't advocate reading ANY translation of the Bible, or any other book for that matter, with complete blind trust that it's all God-breathed. To me that's kind of like saying people should shove their dinners down their throats without even chewing or bothering to take out the bones, or bothering to think about what their bodies are really needing.

If someone puts it on your plate you're just supposed to eat it, whether you're hungry for it or not? I don't support that approach with children or with anyone. So since the Bible is so often referred to as our spiritual food, it seems to me we should exercise the same care with it that we (hopefully) do with eating!


Will said, “Cole, you sent an email saying directions to the bible study had been emailed to us. Now you say you weren't going. Cole, you aren't delusional, I grant you that. You just make crap up.”

You know where the directions came from – you emailed me asking me for directions and I simply relayed the message…I never originally contacted you about any of this.

I was always going to the church and did – I didn’t make up anything - I just didn’t invite you. Live with it.

My mental exercises are my own. I do share them with my friends. We had a great time and discussion afterwards.

You know where and when we meet so you and your buddies can show up whenever you want…I hope you are brave enough to tell us who you are if you come. After all, you know our names. This isn’t personal with me, just fun. A learning experience. If people are offended,…I don’t know what to say.

Hey Jim C, that includes you. Come spread some wisdom to our meetup(s).

I don’t think you get it, yet. We free thinkers think as we want – not as a herd mentality. One moos then the other moos, get it? Baaaaaa…….Baseball!

Will said, “By the way, your argument comparing what happens before your birth, when you presumably did not exist, and what happens at the end of your life...when you may have years of things to be responsible for...is not only a false analogy, but a category mistake.”

I get to analyze it any way I want. That is the purpose of thinking for myself, instead of living by bronze-age rules…

Category this: Where did your god come from? How is this any different than “mindless nothing”? Contiinued


And Will said, “And whats your problem with name calling? You do it all the time! In fact, you do it so much, I thought you got a kick out of it. LOL!”

I don’t have a problem with it, that is what I said “With a grain of salt” You are so delusional in so many ways. The only way you can justify something is to twist it! That is the only way you can justify your prayers. What about the so called missionary praying to god for protection?

PreacherDJ: We are changing for the better ( that is: morphing religion) because sciences are revealing people’s nature through neuroscience, cognitive science, behavioral genetics and evolutionary psychology.

People will become better when you show them what they are like. Nothing can change until we know why and how we think the way we do….

We live in a natural world….Deal with it…adapt.

Strange News

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DC mom accused of killing 4 daughters cited demons

Peace For the Sake of Goodness Cole


adamh, thank you for the link to that inspiring article in the Wall Street Journal about the turnaround in Poland.

But of course this is no proof that Red Biddy ever claimed the Communist party was trying to help the Church in Poland!

Your logic is just so illogical that not even I can follow it -- and I'll admit that I'm not the most linear thinker on the planet! What can I think of as an analogy ...

Just off the top of my head, it's kind of like saying, "There are earthquakes in California, and this fact proves that Red Biddy is lying when she says there are no earthquakes in California" ... even though Red Biddy has NEVER (to my knowledge) denied the occurrence of earthquakes in California ... but according to adamh-logic, every article he can find citing the occurance of a California earthquake, is ABSOLUTE PROOF that Red Biddy has lied about this.


Susan, there are no translations of the Bible...no matter how old the manuscripts...which endorse homosexuality as blessed and encouraged by God. The Bible's condemnation of homosexuality is a straightforward fact, not a mistake based on a mis-translation. That would be quite a mistake by thousands of different translators. It is what it is. It can't be explained away just because you don't like it. God also prohibits all sex outside of marriage. I suppose you believe that is a mis-translation as well?


Susan your 9:40 am post explains adam and Will to a ‘T’. Good one.

Guess what? The king james version was written by people also. Copied from past texts by people.

DW quotes bible verses as if they are gods words. People write books. Why did god need a book? He can talk to us at any time. What’s the point? What other bronze-age writings do we govern people? It will be interesting to see what the latest bible rewrite will read like in two hundred years. It will morph as the religion will…The smarter people become the more the bible translations become fair. Then all the bad will just be stories and all the good will be gospel. Funny, huh?

Alice in Wonderland:

Alice: If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary-wise; what it is it wouldn't be, and what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?
Alice: Well, when I was lost, I suppose it's good advice to stay where you are until someone finds you. But who'd ever think to look for me here?
Alice: Good advice. If I listened earlier, I wouldn't be here. But that's just the trouble with me. I give myself very good advice, but I very seldom follow it.

Reexamining Religion:Jonathan Miller interviews Pascal Boyer

Remember what jonathan said about the village atheist per Boyer

You have to get into about a minute or so. then you know what this is about. It’s fun. Hank is a riot.

Confronting the New Village Atheists


Peace For the Sake of Goodness Cole

IGGY - www.KCFreeThinkers.org

Susan wrote>>>>>>>>>More about the Bible ... I just watched a Mr. Deity video about the Biblical practice of stoning women if they don't provide "proof of virtue" on their wedding night. It really gets you thinking, especially now that I think most of us are aware that not all women visibly bleed the first time they have sex.

I once had a gynecologist tell me that there are variations in female anatomy and postitioning of the hymen: she said she has even examined women who were visibly pregnant, whose hymens were still completely intact! I presume their hymens were probably broken during childbirth, if they gave birth vaginally -- but it doesn't seem likely that they bled the first time they had sex.
Me: Susan, congratulations! You are getting one more step to "atheism/agnosticism" or "The Bible said Whaaaaaaaaaaaat?"

Christians, Think........ It will do your brain and the world a lot of good.

Dolores Lear

"...it was James I who sponsored the English Bible translation published in 1611 that we still know today. - Christians also would say that to understand the Bible and its message, it needs to be read with the illumination of the Holy Spirit."

I also use the KJV, in my posts. It was the Bible I used as I grew up, and used when this new High Tech Translation Understand of Scriptures happened to me in 1971. I also called it being inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Bill has been a special blessing for me, since 2006. And the Bloggers have also been great help in my advancing, with a High Tech explanation about Adam and Eve Cloning, and a Peace God and Killer God in Scriptures taught as One God.

Because of a discussion about Continent joining in Bible Class in 1971, I looked at a polar projection map, to check it out.

The Continents moved back together, different from Science. South America moved up and turned, and stretched from North America to Europe.

The land mass before the Flood, was joined in one area, but the Axis was tilted also in the Flood, and all the land, left after the Flood, is not in the Original place of the Eden Moderate Temperate Zone land 'in the beginning'.

This was my Supernatural experience by the Holy Spirit, that started me on my long journey. All land mass shows the destruction of the fountains of the deep earthquakes.

The time it took the Flood waters to subside in Genesis, was when the Tidal Wave Action set down a new Top Strata on Earth, and covered many of the megalithic structures of the former High Tech Society, on the Continents.

I accepted the Noah Flood as the same Catastrophe as the Sinking of High Tech Atlantis. Both stories had the land mass split down the middle and sank below the water.

The Noah Flood has been taught to be a 40 day/night local flood. In Genesis Noah was 600 years old when the Flood started.

After a year in the Ark, Genesis 8, 13a, 14: KJV. "And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth;. - And in the second month, on the seven and twentieth day of the month, was the earth dried."


Dolores Lear


Why were these Flood writings saved as Gospel Truth?

The New English Bible, The Living Bible, and New World Translation, that I have, also has the Flood lasting over 1 year. I prefer KJV. What do your Bibles have?

Religion and Science say Earth's land mass was all in one place with the sea around it. In my posts on Creation in Genesis 1, I also accept this.

Science says a meteor from space hit near Central America. I say an Ice Crystal Canopy formed in Genesis 1:7, when the divided waters around Earth, went above the firmament/atmosphere.

No one records what happened to the water above the firmament. This Ice Canopy broke and crashed to Earth, and broke the One Land Mass apart. The Ice is at our Poles today. The ice did not collect for millions of years.

Science still has to prove an Ice Canopy from the Water in Genesis, that went above the atmosphere and fell near Central America, in the Flood.

Our main land mass is split down the Middle, with the Arctic and Atlantic Ocean dividing it. Atlantis also split down the middle and sank.

No one has ever said what happened to that water. Genesis does say the waters below the firmament made the Seas. The Sea before the Flood was just the Pacific Ocean, around One Land Mass, and other land based seas/lakes.

A Mist watered the Earth before the Flood. After the Flood, Rain began and a Rainbow appeared. The Seasons began from the changed Eco System. And Humans are still digging up the remains the the High Tech World before the Planetary Flood.

Now we are faced with our High Tech Destruction of our Home Planet, like the Noah/Atlantis Society, when they broke the Ice Crystal Canopy Protection from the Ultraviolet Rays of the Sun, with their Pollution and Nuclear Weapons.

Unknowingly like Atlantis, Humans again have set up the Religious Prophesied Planetary Fire Catastrophe, blamed on God as the Planetary Flood was blamed on God.

Humans will also destroy the last Protective Ozone Canopy, and Life as we Know it cannot continue after the Fire, like it did After the Flood.

I also was given the reason for the Original Sin, Heterosexual Body Birth, that I have posted many times.

Will Graham

Cole, if you want to come to a Bible study and speak your mind, there is one tommorrow. E Mail us at Jeremy7@nycmail.com

We will respond with instructions.

As to Jim C, he called Iggy thinking Iggy wanted to talk to him, since you all talk about him all the time, and was informed that Iggy had NO INTEREST IN DISCUSSING ANYTHING WITH HIM.

He said OK and started to say goodbye but Iggy abruptly hung up. He said when he called he said Iggy was obviously shocked, tongue tied, and probably pissing his pants that he had offered to debate.

So, he won't be attending any of your meetups; in fact, he told us that we are wasting our time here because it all about gamesmenship and not real discussion! Imagine that! I feel let down! (sad face)

Well, you had repeated chances to talk to him. Obviously you don't want to but simply want to throw cheap shots on the internet, so your chance is over.

But you still have us, sport!

By the way Cole, your statement that "I GET TO ANALYZE IT ANY WAY I WANT" indicates that you know nothing of the concepts of logic..."False Analogy" and "Category Mistake" are philosophical terms that any college sophomore could learn in Philosophy 101. That you for your admission that you don't even have this basic understanding.

Susan, as to Red Biddy's suggestion that the Commies were actually trying to help the church in Poland, reread her posts where she said the Commies rebuilt the churches after the Nazis destroyed them all. (Which is odd, because if the Nazis were Christians...not...then why did they destroy all the churches the could? Whatever.)

Sounds like a suggestion that they were trying to help the church to me! But perhaps your logic is different, and, like Cole, you "analyze it any way you want".

Well, my SELFISH GENE tells me YOUR SELFISH GENE is wrong! LOL!

Susan, I will grant you this: you are the most outstanding master of manipulating a Double Standard of anyone I have seen.

And I mean that sincerely.

Will Graham


"What is Good? All that enhances the feeling of Power, the Will to Power, and Power itself in man. What is bad? All that proceeds from weakness. What is happiness? The feeling that power is increasing, that resistance has been overcome."

Nietzsche, The AntiChrist, sec. 2

He felt this with his WHOLE BEING, so he knew it was true.

IGGY - www.KCFreeThinkers.org

Will Graham,

I have a voice recording of our conversation with James Christensen on my computer - I was pausing ("pissing my pants" and "being shocked" as you said it) while I was turning it on my laptop's voice recording program and bringing the cell phone closer to the speakers. There was a pause of about 2-3 seconds when the master debater said it was him and he "heard" that we were talking about him.

If you would like to listen to the conversation, please, let me know and come to one of our freethinking events - let me know which one you are coming to so we can compare what you said to what was actually recorded?

I told the master debater I have no interest in talking to him and discussing anything - this is correct ---- BUT, BIG BUT "OUTSIDE" any of the events we have. I told him he can check calendar and we'll inform him about the Bible Studies we'll participate in.

Then I wished him all the best and hang up on him.

So, when would you like to come to one of our events and listen to the recording?


I work on Sundays. Can’t make your myth study.

You imagining how Iggy responded to Jim’s call is funny. Once again twisting things to suit yourself. After all you don’t get to think for yourself – because your god already has your rules - and the facts you have are words from the bronze age and invisible people. How convenient all you have is unknowable – although you pretend to know it.

You want to come, you don’t want to come; you invite us you don’t invite us. Who cares. Stay in your little box. It seems to suit you well. Will is talking for Jim C, “So, he won't be attending any of your meetups; in fact, he told us that we are wasting our time here because it all about gamesmenship and not real discussion! Imagine that! I feel let down! (sad face)”

I speak for myself. You speak for Jim and now Jim is telling ‘you’ you are wasting your time. Sort a like your god, invisible and controlling. If you are wasting your time stop posting here.

Here’s an idea. Pray for all this to work out in your favor. Oh, I forgot. You can’t. God already has a divine plan. Sorry. I suppose you don’t have a life after all.

Peace For the Sake of Goodness Cole


KCfreethinker, Susan and Bill evidently believe the Bible is not truly God's word. They believe the Bible is just a book full of the opinions of ancient people. They believe their opinion on Christian doctrine is just as valid as Paul's. After all, Paul wrote a bunch of letters. He's just a normal human being writing a letter stating his opinion. Susan and Bill and anyone also can write a letter or post stating their opinion. It's ancient Paul's word against Susan and Bill's opinion. Equally valid opinions, in their minds. Given this scenario, it's no wonder that they're confused. Their opinions are equal to Paul's opinon. His letter to the Thessalonians is no more important than their blog posts, right? Just one person's opinion?


Dolores Lear

"God also prohibits all sex outside of marriage. I suppose you believe that is a mis translation as well?"

When did god give the OK for Humans to have sex? Religion and Jesus taught Male Celibacy, not sex, as Godlike..

Genesis 1:26a. KJV. "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:"
Genesis 2:7. "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Genesis 2:21, 22. And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept; and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof, And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man."

God/Us did not make Humans, by the Heterosexual sex act in Genesis. The male was made some other Way beside the Male sex act. And the Woman was made made from the Male Rib, without the Male sex act.

Today, with High Tech, Humans can make a Human Fetus in the Lab, without the Male sex act to the Female. But we still have to put the Fetus into the Female Womb for Birth. That is not how God/Us Reproduced Humans.

If we made a High Tech Womb, then we could Reproduce Humans without the Female Womb also, and then Clone the Female in a High Tech Womb from the Male Rib like God/Us did in Genesis.

All these Mysterious God/Us Ways of traveling in Space, Creating Life on a null and void Planet, and Reproducing Male and Female Humans in their Human Image, can all be done by High Tech Science Peace Humans.

"After all you don’t get to think for yourself – because your god already has your rules - and the facts you have are words from the bronze age and invisible people. How convenient all you have is unknowable – although you pretend to know it."

Translation of the Humans in the Bronze Age Writings were Natural Humans without High Tech Science. Genesis states what is Known today, when translated with High Tech Science.

Now a High Tech Translation of Religion and Myth, should separate the Peace God, our Purebred Humans Ancestors from Space.

From the Body Birth Misbred High Tech Noah/Atlantis Human Society Killer God, that did cause a Planetary Flood, and the repopulation of Earth, with the Saved Bronze Age Writings, to translate today.

IGGY - www.KCFreeThinkers.org


You work on Sundays? - Why aren't you stoned yet? Cole, you defy god's laws and laws of nature/word/US jirusprudence that is based on the Judeo-Christian heritage and the Old Testament which Jesus said he came to "fulfill/implement?" Jesus is speaking out of two sides of his mouth. What if there is a new born baby that can throw a stone it's OK then? The Old Testament says NOTHING about sinless people stoning other sinful people - you just go and friking stone because it's he law.

It appears from ALL conversations and communications with the "Crazy" Christians here on the blog that they want to come to the Bible Studies with Christians to "expose" us and "destroy" our arguments, and it looks like they are "pretending" they have attended our freethinking events (at least they never said they were who they were but cleverly concealing as atheists and cursing their god like sailors).

Looks like they are tossing a meeting with us like a hot potato - I think I recently saw "Red Neck Games" profiled on CNN. It reminds me "pig leg fishing" - when they put their head in the water and grab the pig legs with their teeth and toss them outside but they just slip and they have to go again and again and again.

I don't undersand "why" they need "special" invitation to come to our freethinking events? Why they need to be "personally" called at "their" number which turns to be "Master Debater's Number"? Why? Why? Why?????? - a cry in the dark of the night???????????

It looks like they are drooling for some attention and "personal" handling and "fondling" of their egos - to be acknowledged as "legitimate" astrologers and alchemist ilk? There has to be somene to wipe their drool off of their ego? It loks like neither adamh or will graham or James Christensen can make a decision and just fricking come? Why??? Why??? Why???

IGGY - www.KCFreeThinkers.org

Is it because they feel they are "special" because "god made them special" that they need "special invitation?" or they feel that they need to "set rules" (i.e. tell us that they will not show up if there will be disrespet and talks about the Flying Sapghetti Monster and cloning them a new brain by Hannibal Lector).

Or maybe they are really afraid they'll have a new brain cloned by a touch of his Holiness Noodly Appendge? It MAY happen?

Or they are afraid to be mocked for their asrology like and alchemy like Bronze Age beliefs?

We are doing it here already, so what will change? I believe they are really afraid to meet with "vile and evil" people who say there is no god "in our hearts". But how can here be? We'd bleed to death lettign him in and also have a heart stoppage?

I am very confused...

Crazy Chrisians of ths blog - can you please, get your head out of the "pig leg fishing" basket and start acting rationally?

If you want to come, come... If you don't want to come, don't, you can whine all you want about disrespect, me "pissing my pants" when the master debater calls, not knowing history and that god is winning or has won already - it changes nothing - you have "blind" faith in a space alien, I have "rational" faith in well "rational" ;O)

You say "God won" - I say "Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?"

Please, stop telling us "Three Little PIggies" story when you want to order a pork chop. Tell your ministers to do the same. Your god will thank you, but it will make you of course a less "fundamental" Xian - or "not Real" Xian.

There are 300-800 of you reading this blog - I wonder if any of you guys actually have been changing your mind about Christianity as the "truth" and "the word?" Surely, 1.5-2 years ago there were many more Biblical quotes but little by little you folks just started dropping off and not posting - i.e. changing your behavior and this is normally an indication that you are also changing your mind about your behavior :O)

Think, christians, Think! It does your brain and the world a whole world of good.

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