Christians attacking Islam: 1-26-09
Pondering nature's patterns: 1-28-09

Celebrating Mozart: 1-27-09

As regular readers of my blog know, from time to time I like to dip into history to remind us of some event or person who helped to shape faith in some important way.

Mozart_portrait

Which is why today I want to commemorate the birth on this date in 1756 of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart (depicted here), whose music has filled churches for centuries.

The Roman Catholic Church can claim Mozart as a lifelong member, but among his 600-some musical compositions are many that churches of lots of denominations have used.

Mozart, in effect, preached the gospel through the gift of music.

I've found a site that offers, for free, a wide sampling of Mozart's music. For that, click here.

It's clear that church music has changed and that today many churches have turned away from the standard European composers of several centuries ago and are using much more modern music. I have no problem with that except that I wish they would not abandon these masters completely while they search for sounds that appeal to today's congregations. There is simply too much genius in the Mozarts and others of his ilk.

At any rate, raise a toast to Mozart today. And let your computer play a bit of his extraordinary music for you before the day is out.

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MORE ON THE HOLOCAUST-DENYING BISHOP

I mentioned here yesterday that Pope Benedict XVI had lifted the excommunication of a bishop who is a Holocaust denier. Richard Williamson was affiliated with the movement started by French Bishop Marcel Lefebvre, and as John L. Allen Jr. of the National Catholic Reporter notes in this piece, Lefebvre's movement has long had an anti-Jewish bias. As this article notes, in quoting a theologian, to deny a crime is to commit it a second time. If you wish to read the papal decree that lifted the excommunication against Williamson and others, click here. Pope John Paul II seemed to have good reasons for his 1988 excommunication of Williamson and others. I think B-16 has no good reason to lift that excommunication -- at least not until Williamson repents of his know-nothing revisionist history.

Comments

adam harrison

"B-16"? LOL! You just can't get enough of trashing Catholics, can you Bill?

But since you are on the Holocaust denial thing, how about something on another kind of Holocaust denial...the outright lie that science had nothing to do with making the Holocaust what it was, that theories of Eugenics had nothing to do with making the holocaust possible, or that atheism is not really responisible when atheist commit massive crimes?

www.waragainsttheweak.com

adam harrison

The role of science in the Holocaust, not to mention the complicity of American Corporations, the Supreme Court, and the man inspired by Margaret Sanger (Sanger was the atheist founder of Planned Parenthood, who called for the elimination of the unfit and "human weeds"):...some will try to deny the role of the science of that day, but for over 60 years Eugenics was considered good enough science, and filled American universities; not to mention German ones!

http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/

adam harrison

America's role in the Holocaust; and a comparison to other Death Camps.

http://www.klanparenthood.com/DeathCamps/Holocaust.cfm

Dolores Lear

This week's Daily promise, 1/27/09: Overcoming discouragement brings great blessing
What do you do when hope fades?
"Save me, O God, for the floodwaters are up to my neck.
Deeper and deeper I sink into the mire; I can't find a foothold to stand on. I am in deep water, and the floods overwhelm me. I am exhausted from crying for help; my throat is parched and dry. My eyes are swollen with weeping, waiting for my God to help me… But I keep right on praying to you, Lord, hoping this is the time you will show me favor. Psalm 69:1-3,13 NLT"

Me.
Sounds like our Planet today? We are choking on our Pollution, and keep praying to God to Save Us. From What? Each Other and our Filthy Planet?

Humans should Do something about our Pollution. Not God. God gave us Earth for our Home. Humans should be the Caretakers, not God.

We have an International Space Station, where Humans from different countries Work Together for their Good, their Life, and the Space Station's Life.

If they do not keep it Clean, their Mission will be canceled. They regularly receive supplies from Earth, or they could not exist.

Our Planet is also a Space Station, with no outside supplies. GODs Earth's Resources are for All Life on Earth, Equally, not just for the Haves.

If Humans do not Share Equally and keep their Spaceship Clean, their Mission will be Aborted, by the Unbalanced Elements.

We are setting up the Judgement Day Planetary Fire, with our Filth and Nuclear Bombs.

What are Toxic Filth, and Nuclear Bombs, doing on our Spaceship Home? We cannot pitch them out the window, like we do our dust.

Continue.

Dolores Lear

Continued.

Is it Time for Life on Earth to be Aborted Again? We already had a 'Planetary' Flood that destroyed most of that Unbalanced Noah/Atlantis High Tech Science Society. Earth was Washed Clean.

Religion teaches that Perfect Humans Reproduced Children by Heterosexual Body Birth. They became Killer Humans, of Each Other and their Home Planet.

Did Life on Earth Evolve up to our High Tech Science today, or Did Humans with High Tech, Colonized Earth 'in the beginning'? That is the Question that divides Humans also.

Our Scientists in the 1900s proposed Colonizing a Planet, so this is not Impossible for Humans with High Tech. It was not Impossible on Planet Earth 'in the beginning'.

Humans today, have made fiery chariots, like the Religious Gods, in our Image, that started Life on our Home Planet, and as the Noah/Atlantis Society had.

Our Past Religious Writings, and Myths, need to be Translated with High Tech Science, to Prove Life Evolved on Earth, or, if it was Colonized by High Tech Humans.

We Know Colonization is Possible today. We do not Know, how Life Evolved in the Universe, but it did not Evolve on our Planet.

Religious teachings, about Humans with the Perfect Bodies of the Adam and Eve Clone Generation, were Reproduced Purebred by God, our High Tech Ancestors in their Human Image.

The Adam and Eve Colony were Perfect Genetic and Physical Humans, not Children.

These Perfect Humans, Reproduced the Misbred Bodies of their Children, Cain, Abel, Seth, and Females, by Heterosexual Birth. Cain, Seth also reproduced children by Females, by Body Birth.

Children Generation Birth, Death, and Rebirth became the Lifestyle on Spaceship Earth.

Since the Planetary Flood, the Rest of the Story of the Human Species on Earth, is recorded in Religion, Myth, and History Books.

Dolores Lear

Eugenic Laws Against Race Mixing

Paul Lombardo, University of Virginia

Laws forbidding marriage between people of different races were common in America from the Colonial period through the middle of the 20th century. By 1915, twenty-eight states made marriages between "Negroes and white persons" invalid; six states included this prohibition in their constitutions.

In the early 1900's, the eugenics movement supplied a new set of arguments to support existing restrictions on interracial marriage. These arguments incorporated a "scientific" brand of racism, emphasizing the supposed biological dangers of mixing the races – also known as miscegenation. Influential writers like Madison Grant, a leading eugenicist, warned that racial mixing was "a social and racial crime." He said that acceptance of racial intermarriage would lead America toward "racial suicide" and the eventual disappearance of white civilization. -

It is interesting to note that at least 16 members of the Virginia General Assembly who claimed to be descendants of Pocahontas objected to the first draft of the law they proposed, because it defined as "non-white" anyone with 1/64 of American Indian ancestry.
Alabama and Georgia eventually copied the Virginia law.

Within a decade, similar laws prohibiting inter-ethnic marriages and attempting to sort citizens by percentage of Jewish "blood" were adopted by the government of Nazi Germany."

Dolores Lear

Wikipedia.
Eugenics was an international scientific, political and moral ideology and movement which was at its height in first half of the twentieth century and was largely abandoned by the mainstream and academia with the end of WWII. -

The "interventions" advocated and practised by eugenicists involved prominently the identification and classification of individuals and their families (including the poor, mentally ill, blind, 'promiscuous women', homosexuals) and entire "racial" groups (such as the Roma and Jews) as "degenerate" or "unfit", the segregation or institutionalisation of such individuals and groups, their sterilization, their "euthanasia", and in the worst case of Nazi Germany, their mass extermination. -

The modern field and term were first formulated by Sir Francis Galton in 1883,[7] drawing on the recent work of his cousin Charles Darwin. From its inception eugenics was supported by prominent people, including H. G. Wells, Woodrow Wilson, Theodore Roosevelt, Emile Zola, George Bernard Shaw, John Maynard Keynes, William Keith Kellogg, Margaret Sanger, Winston Churchill, and Sidney Webb.[8][9][10] Its most infamous proponent and practitioner was however Adolf Hitler who praised and incorporated Eugenic ideas in Mein Kampf, and emulated Eugenic legislation for the sterilization of "defectives" that had been pioneered in the United States. -

However, developments in genetic, genomic, and reproductive technologies at the end of the 20th century have raised many new questions and concerns about what exactly constitutes the meaning of eugenics and what its ethical and moral status is in the modern era."

Me:
I was born in 1922, and remember in the USA, something about sterilizing some prostitute and Handicapped women.
By Handicapped women, I mean mentally retarded, not all Handicapped women.

Will Graham

Dolores, thanks for that last post from Wikipedia.

It makes clear the role of Science, Francis Galton (drawing on the works of his cousin Charles Darwin) and the "mother of planned parenthood" Margaret Sanger. (Margaret was a comitted atheist, by the way.)

Many other American politicians were involved in the Eugenics movement, such as Woodrow Wilson, as were key Supreme Court Justices. (Oliver Wendell Holmes was famous for justifying forced sterilization in BUCK v. Bell when he declared, "Three generations of imbeciles are enough."

Clearly, the Holocaust as we know it could not have happened without the scientific backing described in the article you cite. Of course, scientific views change, but they were considered good enough in this area for sixty years...long enough to exterminate millions.

Will Graham

Here is the full link to the Wikipedia article on Eugenics.

Good info, Dolores.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

Will Graham

Nazi Eugenics, and its role in the Holocaust.

Do deny this is imply ANOTHER FORM of HOLCAUST DENIAL.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_eugenics

Will Graham

Nazi Eugenics Poster...with science backing it up:\

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EnthanasiePropaganda.jpg

Dolores Lear

Thanks Will.

All the Eugenics practiced in America, led to Cloning in the Last Half of the 1900s. And led to Cloning in other Countries.

So Cloning is the next step to making Perfect Humans like the Adam and Eve Colony.

Then making a female copy of the male is Last Step to make Perfect Humans, for a High Tech Science Peace Lifestyle.

By then there are no Defective Humans to Mistreat, and Fight and Kill.

This is where our High Tech Ancestors are, that Colonize New Planets. But will we find out why their Experiment did not work?

Why did the Perfect Clones start Reproducing Imperfect Male and Female Children?

We will Keep on Killing Each Other, and Pollute our Planet with Toxic Waste, and Over Reproducing Misbred Genetic and Physical Humans.

Most Humans are against High Tech Reproduction, and instead are using our High Tech for Nuclear Bombs and Toxic Pollution, that will get rid of of Ozone Layer and All Life as we Know it.

So is our High Tech Ancestors experiment on Earth, going to Produce some Humans that will be willing to be Regenerated to Purebred like Jesus was, to go to the New Planet, to begin again, like the Group did on Earth 'in the beginning'?

Maybe sometimes some Humans will get to see a Final Victory of Eugenic Purebred Victory over Flesh Lust Misbreeding, that Failed with the Original Colony on our Earth Home.

Iggy - www.KCFreeThinkers.org

Posted by: TrueFreethinker>>>>
Bill Tammeus,I notice you never respond to comments in any way. You just throw your slime out there, see what sticks, and move on the next day, apparently never looking back. Why do you even have comments?


TrueFreethinker/adamh/Will Graham/"Master Debater" and "glorious leader" James Christensen,

I think Bill has comments because he wants other people to be heard, including you. If you cannot recognize that and get on with the times, you will continue asking the same questions again and again in the loop and posting the same stuff and same links in the loop.

You hopefully, can recognize that this is Bill's blog and he can chose to comment or not comment and allow any comments he feels fit.

There is nothing you can do about it. Get on with your life. Or get your own blog and blog there all you want. The market of ideas will figure it out.

Change is uncomfortable. Get comfortable with it.

ChotoCK

His Holiness Benedict XVI did not lift anything, the latae sententiae excommuiation was found to be lacking support from canon law. As this was an excommunication based on action, the seemingly unlawful consecration of four bishops without papal approval, and not because of heresy, your arguements are foundless.

Bishop Williamson's words have been idiotic, but why should they be used to punish thousands of believers? As the words are not in violation of the faith itself, being as they are on a historic event and not on revelation, they are inconsequential to the discussion.

Perhaps all groups should be judged on the opinions of one of its members? Perhaps the Christian bashing coming from some rabbi's should be a reason that Christians should stop engaging in discussions with the Jews? Thats the answer right?

Bill your hatred of all things Catholic yet again cloud your supposed tolerance for all faiths. Just admit you hate the Roman Catholic church.

Will Graham

"TrueFreethinker" is most likely Iggy, he/she/it is sure not me.

And Iggy, you suggest that I get my own blog?

And where is YOURS? Bahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!

SilverSmith

Bill, I wonder if your church would allow someone to join while maintaining beliefs of history inconsistent with your own. Can I join PCUSA and have a researched opinion on the amount of jews that died if it is lower than yours? Would you deny membership to someone for their political or historical beliefs? Would you deny the grace of baptism to one who believes the gas chambers did not exist? I hope you wouldn't since, it is arguable, that everything in history is debatable. OH yeah, it hurts jewish/catholic relations. Well, gotta deny a few bad eggs the sacraments to suck up to those that deny that Christ is the son of God, right? Remember Bill, not everyone is interested in sycophantic searches for approval from those who deny even the Trinity. Some of us wish for all to be saved, Jew, Gentile, and yes... even people who question the Holocaust narrative. I guess you at least have the love of the world on your side.

Red Biddy

Bill, thank you for your reminder that to-day is Mozart's birthday. I'm listening to an old recording of the Requiem as I write ..lovely stuff.
You don't mention in your piece that Mozart was in fact a Mason. Remember The Magic Flute and the Masonic Funeral music ? I think if he had been a serious church goer, or Mason for that matter with strong social ties to either community he might not have ended up in an unmarked paupers grave - no funeral for him poor guy.
I once asked a Catholic priest (some years ago in Dublin) why they didn't do Haydn or Mozart Masses in church anymore - he told me it was too difficult for the choir !! Guess that's your answer as to why most churches have gone "modern".

TrueFreethinker

Will, I am certainly not Iggy. It may be too much for your made up mind to accept, but not all atheists are like him. He is very angry immigrant who came out of eastern europe as he expalined when he spokr to the Community of Reason back in March or so. He told us his goal is to get the bible thumpers and bring here what he came out of.
One thing he is very cagey about and that is why he left. He gets upset very easily if you oppose him and tends to just clam up if he feels you are getting the better of him.
He is not beyond making things up about people and I would say you should stay away from him.

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