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October 22, 2008


adam harrison

Bill, you might keep in mind that "Obsession" was produced by an atheist, not a Christian.

Your post does not make that clear. That said, such propaganda is typical of the "new" atheists, of which the recent books by Dawkins and Hitchens are just the most glaring examples.

And, of course, you have the rants and smears which are meant to pass for arguments regularly presented by KCFreethinker/aka Iggy on this site.

Nothing new. Why do you act suprised?

Joe Barone

To me, the most moving thing about General Colin Powell's endorsement of Barack Obama was his sharing the story of a Muslim soldier who died in Iraq. I found his comments especially important because we had received the "Obsession" DVD in the mail about a week earlier.

Because I read about the DVD here and discussed it with my wife, we knew what it was when we got it. Others might not have known and might have watched it without the added knowledge you provided me.

I find it particularly offensive to slander (not a strong enough word) a religion for political reasons, and that's what I think is happening here. I don't think it's an accident that these DVD's are being distributed just before this election, especially in battleground states like Missouri.

Joe Barone

The problem with connecting church and state is that then you are at the mercy of whatever interpretation government leaders happen to give to their religion.

Am I wrong? It's hard to visualize anyone (even atheists) having an objective view of their religion. Different people of the same religion would govern differently because of how they interpret and respond to their religion.

PS Now having read it, I know the article from the Chicago Divinity School also points out the DVD's obvious connection to the election. I think the timing of the distribution of the DVD is especially odious.

IGGY - www.KCFreeThinkers.org


Which first name do you prefer to use? - Adam, Eddie or is it Clarissa or Diane/Diana or is it Grady? Then were were several others on other blogs you have been banned as an irrational troll.

I've received a few e-mails from you and you and I have communicated with you directly about your delusions, so I am a bit confused, do you yourself really know your first name?

Would you like me to post some of these e-mails? I'll take your e-mail addresses out completely to protect your privacy.

You use also Stauffenberg to e-mail from the same e-mail address that Eddie sends e-mails out? That ain't looking like a first name to me :o)

How is your search for the Lutheran church with the Bible Study group on Thursday going?

9:30 in the morning tomorrow we are reading Acts 16-19. Another person, Cole Morgan is coming. Cole mentioned last night at the KS FreeThought Group that you e-mailed him - he says he is looking forward to meeting you one day. Maybe the Lutheran church will be a good beginning for your treatment of delusions with rationality.

You'd be better off to text to my cell phone as instructed so I can give you directions and address of the church.

Oh, by the way, it would be great if the pastor of the Lutheran church came to the Bible class, but he doesn't. It is led by one of the church members.

The pastor, several church peeps and us godless atheists have plans to go out for a beer and dinner one of these days. So, it's all cool, maaaaaaaaaaaaan!

I got an e-mail from one of activist Lutherans the other day about not being able to make our freethinking barhopping in Westport tonight - he had some other plans, but it looks like drinking and chatting with atheists is not a problem for some "normal" Christians.

Dolores Lear

What are Propaganda Religious teachings? Mis-translated Religious teachings, that cause Humans to Kill Each Other?

God's Daily Promise, 10/19/08.

This week's promise: God will conquer death Doing away with death

"In that day he will remove the cloud of gloom, the shadow of death that hangs over the earth. He will swallow up death forever! The Sovereign Lord will wipe away all tears. He will remove forever all insults and mockery against his land and people. The Lord has spoken!

Isaiah 25:7-8 NLT There are many rooms in my Father's home, and I am going to prepare a place for you. If this were not so, I would tell you plainly.

John 14:2 NLT Jesus told her, "I am the resurrection and the life. Those who believe in me, even though they die like everyone else, will live again." John 11:25 NLT"
About this week's promise:

"There are two kinds of death—the cessation of life here on earth, and the missed opportunity to live in heaven with God forever. To die physically is to leave our earthly body and our place in the earthly community. To die spiritually, eternally, is to miss eternal residence in heaven with God and his people, to be separated from God forever.

When we die physically, we can be even more alive as we take up residence in God's eternal home with him and his people. It is not pleasant to think of dying physically. But it is devastating to think of missing heaven forever."

from the TouchPoint Bible with commentary by Ron Beers and Gilbert Beers (Tyndale) p 1180."

With a High Tech Science 'Truth' translation, the 'Higher Being' Lord God and Jesus, are Alive.

This Human Species do not Kill each other, and do have, Eternal Physical Life 'After Birth', on Planets and in Spaceships.

IGGY - www.KCFreeThinkers.org

It has been widely reported that Sarah Palin and her family got a 'dressing allowance" from the Republican Party of about $150,000.

I am willing to overlook the newest revelations that she took her kids (not much mentioned how many out of the 5 she has, one is an adult now and another one is just a newborn, so it boils down to 3) on official business trips and taxpayers in Alaska paid for 3-5 days of the kids and her staying in a hotel while the actual function that Palin was invited to lasted 3-5 hours at most? The travel report was later ammended either by her or her staff to reflect the official nature of the expenses that were spent on her and her children while she was outside the business nature of the hotel stay. I think it was in NYC. Also, there are reports that she billed the state per diem for staying in her own house while working on state business.

adam harrison

KC, Eddie works with me, and I do know a Clarissa, but so frigging what?

I find your concern about names IRONIC considering how many YOU have used KC/IGGY/Hawkeye/Hannibal etc. etc.

Who ya kiddin, sport?

Post any e mails you want. I stand by what I said. Just don't attribute one to me that I did not send. That could be libel.

All you have demonstrated is your lack of honor, since I e mailed you at your request and you try to use that to smear me.

As far as the Lutheran church, I already found out what I needed, SPORT!

Dolores Lear

Is "the Movie, Obsession" an Omen of WW3, the Same as the Religious Prophesied Last Days 'Arm'ageddon 'Nuclear War'?

Fallen Humans are divided by Greed, Race, Creed, and Government, and all kinds of Propaganda teachings in All Categories of Human Life, religious or not.

Our Planet covered 'is' covered with all types of Trash, Pollution, Nuclear Waste, Oil Spills, etc. Fallen Human Life on Earth has set up the Ingredients for the Planetary Judgement Day Fire.

This is Not Doing God's Work. God does not Kill, and 'said' to Humans, "Thou Shalt Not Kill.

Will a Nuclear War be the trigger, to set Planet Earth Afire?
Will 'Obsession' teach Humans anything but more Hate of our Brothers/Sisters of Life?

With all the Hate and Killing of Each Other, is the Hope for a 'Peace Eternal Life After Death', all all there is left for Humans to believe in, in these Last Days of Life on Earth?

There was another High Tech Noah/Atlantis Society in the Past, that ruined Earth with a Planetary Flood. Few Humans were Saved then. God did not cause this Planetary Flood. Humans did.

There is a High Tech 'Higher Being' Peace Human Species, on Planets and in Spaceships. On Earth, Fallen Humans called them Gods.

The High Tech Noah/Atlantis Society are also called Gods in writings, only they were Killer Gods.

The High Tech Peace Gods are our High Tech Science Ancestors that Colonized Earth. Humans translated High Tech Humans as Gods, when Fallen Humans lost their High Tech Knowledge.

High Tech Human Life After Birth, on Planets and in Spaceships, with Equal High Tech Birth and a Sharing Equal Society can be a Fact today.

Religious and Myth Good and Evil Gods, are of the 'High Tech' Human Species.

IGGY - www.KCFreeThinkers.org

I have received a proposal from two ministers of a non denominational church that I was ripping Bible pages out yesterday and give them out and striking conversations with folks and they were watching at their church to come to their church for three months and interact with their members, attend Bible studies and services to better understand and hopefully accept Jesus in my heart. As a godless heathen without a religious bone in me this got me interested. I will see if I can in return negotiate with them the same thing - they will go to our freethinking activities for the same mount of hours that I will spend at their church in 3 months. I do my time first and then they'll do their time. I'll see if I can have them both committed to it or at least one or maybe someone else in their church will be interested to see if they can convert any of non believers or if I can reconvert any of them in 3 months or there will be a better understanding of each others' side and if they will agree that religious dogma serves as a breeding ground for bigotry and intolerance towards people of other beliefs and sexual orientations for instance - IN ACTIONS AND NOT IN THOUGHTS. I will attend as many hours as I can and have this all documented and if someone else in the freethinking community would like to do that, the more the merrier.

I will talk to the two ministers about this and have it all written up in a contractual agreement with the church so they and I would not break the rules and since they have the property and membership and since we as meetups don't have any form expect for Community of Reason and Heartland Humanists and surely no property, we'll have to figure out how this all thing will pan out. If any party breaks the contract, there will be some sort of a penalty - e.g. we convert the church to a freethinking center :o)

adam harrison

Notice that KCFreethinker does not post a lick of proof for any of his claims?

He just comes in here and makes outrageous claims to stir things up, knowing he is never going to follow through.

Even if you e mail him, he will not give you the information, but just tell you to be at a certain location at a certain time and he will "text you".

Nobody is going to fall for that.

I think he is pretty much exposed as a prankster at this point, and there is no need to try an take him seriously anymore.

IGGY - www.KCFreeThinkers.org

Christian prayer as superstition - kind of like this


IGGY - www.KCFreeThinkers.org

Some worthwhile quotes...

I've heard the call. I believe God wants me to run for president.
-- George W. Bush, quoted in George Magazine, September, 2000

I would like to thank Providence and the Almighty for choosing me of all people to be allowed to wage this battle for Germany.
-- Adolf Hitler

A person who is guided by God will never be misguided by anyone.
-- Osama Bin Laden

We're being guided by God.
-- Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson

George Bush was not elected by a majority of the voters in the United States. He was appointed by God.
-- Lt. Gen. William Boykin, the defense undersecretary in charge of hunting down top terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan

Nothing [Bush] does can be challenged on moral grounds, however unethical or evil it might appear, because all of his actions are directed by God. He can twist the truth, oppress the poor, exalt the rich, despoil the earth, ignore the law--and murder children--without the slightest compunction, the briefest moment of doubt or self-reflection, because he believes, he truly believes, that God squats in his brainpan and tells him what to do.
-- Chris Floyd, CounterPunch, 7/30/03

No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God.
-- George Bush Sr., to a reporter in 1988

Dave Miller

"I don't want to be a censor and I don't want to edit comments for content, but I am not going to publish comments that I judge to be personal attacks, especially on other readers of this blog, and are completely unrelated to the topics for the day."

Bill, your blog has given us an opportunity to get a better understanding of the religious communities of which we're a part. But instead of looking through this window and learning, we have written graffiti on it.

I wish it could be different. But until we're different, I doubt that it will be--without some sort of structuring from outside ourselves.

A microcosm of the Creation and Fall narrative in Genesis, I'm afraid...

a theist


I'm not IGGY or adamh.

My full answer was deleted.

a theist


That would pretty much eliminate KC/Iggy

a theist

I'm a hard sell.

Nothing I have read convinces me that Obama is not
a Muslim -
a socialist -
a dangerous man -
totally unqualified to be president.

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