Entering the 'Luther Decade': 9-26-08
Connecting body and spirit: 9-29-08

Creating a moral world: 9-27/28-08

Zoroaster

If you were to think through history's long list of religious leaders, which one would you describe as "the first creator of the moral world in which we live"?

I'll give you a hint or two (and if you recognize the symbol, shown here, of the religion associated with this leader, you already know). The author who wrote that in a new book said that the religion this man (yes, a man) was responsible for creating was the "first religion -- in this part of the world, at least (by which he meant the greater Middle East) -- to move beyond cult and totemism to address moral and philosophical problems with its theology, emphasizing personal choice and responsibility."

If you start looking for an answer alphabetically, it's going to take you a long time, for the answer is Zoroaster, and the author who wrote the things I quoted above is Michael Axworthy in his new book: A History of Iran: Empire of the Mind, about which I wrote a little in my last blog book column.

Axworthy teaches at the University of Exeter in England. Prior to that, he was with the British Foreign Service.

Well, you might ask, when did Zoroaster do all this?

Again, Axworthy: ". . .although Zoroastrian tradition places Zoroaster's birth t around 600 BC, most scholars now believe he lived earlier. It is still unclear just when, but it is reasonable to think it was around 1200 or 1000 BC (roughly the time of King David in Israel -- Tammeus parenthical comment), at the time of, or shortly after, the migration of Iranian cattle herders to the Iranian plateau."

What I find equally intriguing about Axworthy's account of this period is his description of "the relationship between Iranians and Jews," which he writes is "almost as old as the history of Iran itself."

Some scholars, Axworthy writes, "believe that Judaism changed significantly under (Iranian religious) influence in the period of the Babylonian exile."

That should not be surprising given that any culture into which a religion moves inevitably influences the shape of that religion. We've seen that happen to Christianity in the United States and we're seeing it happen now with Islam in the U.S. And we know Catholicism looks somewhat different in Asia than it looks in either Europe or in South America.

Well, Zoroaster doesn't get a lot of press in the U.S., so I just thought you'd like to know the way in which you may be indebted to him.

To read my latest Kansas City Star work, click here. (My Saturday column this weekend is about the necessity of reconciliation)

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ANOTHER PROBLEM WITH IRAN

Religious freedom in Iran is deteriorating and in danger of extinction, the European Union says. No surprise. That's exactly what our State Department's 2008 Religious Freedom Report said, if only people would pay attention to it. Look, thugs run Iran. As Sen. John McCain correctly said in Friday night's presidential debate, "The Iranians have a lousy government." But that doesn't mean we need to attack them militarily. There are better answers.

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IMPORTING RELIGION FROM INDIA

This report in the Times of India describes the spread of Hinduism in the United States, including in the city in which I began my newspaper career, Rochester, N.Y. I first became directly acquainted with Hinduism when I lived in India for two years in the 1950s. As a rule, I find Hindus to be gentle and loving people, though, of course, every religion has its fanatics.

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P.S.: As a follow-up to my posting the other day about getting to know more about Islam, I thought you might enjoy this recent column from the "Sightings" series at the Martin Marty Center about what happens to that part of Islam in America made up mostly of African-American converts given the recent death of Imam W.D. Mohammed.

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Today's religious holiday: Laylat al Kadar (Islam; 27th)


 

Comments

Joe Barone

This was one of your most interesting blog posts. I know nothing of Zoroaster. I think I will try to learn. Thanks.

Patricia

There's probably another way that we are indebted to Zoroaster, and it's that he's been credited with creating the notion of free will. A lovely post-summer "light" reading menu might be Axworthy's book alongside Nietzsche's "Thus Spoke Zarathustra".

Always an interesting question as to how much of Christianity was borrowed from Zoroastrianism, including doctrines virgin birth, son of God, resurrection, etc.

IGGY - www.KCFreeThinkers.org

On subject of Martin Luther (yesterday's topic) some worthy quotes from him.

"The word and works of God is quite clear, that women were made either to be wives or prostitutes." [Martin Luther, Works 12.94]

"Even though they grow weary and wear themselves out with child- bearing, it does not matter; let them go on bearing children till they die, that is what they are there for." [Martin Luther, Works 20.84]

"Reason is the Devil's greatest whore; by nature and manner of being she is a noxious whore; she is a prostitute, the Devil's appointed whore; whore eaten by scab and leprosy who ought to be trodden under foot and destroyed, she and her wisdom ... Throw dung in her face to make her ugly. She is and she ought to be drowned in baptism... She would deserve, the wretch, to be banished to the filthiest place in the house, to the closets." [Martin Luther, Erlangen Edition v. 16, pp. 142-148]

"There is on earth among all dangers no more dangerous thing than a richly endowed and adroit reason...Reason must be deluded, blinded, and destroyed." [Martin Luther, quoted by Walter Kaufmann, _The Faith of a Heretic_, (Garden city, NY, doubleday, 1963), p. 75]

IGGY - www.KCFreeThinkers.org

Martin Luther's quotes - Part 2

"People give ear to an upstart astrologer [Copernicus]who strove to show that the earth revolves, not the heavens or the firmament, the sun and the moon. Whoever wishes to appear clever must devise some new system, which of all systems is of course the very best. This fool wishes to reverse the entire science of astronomy." [Martin Luther, Works, Volume 22, c. 1543]

"Their synagogues ... should be set on fire." "Their homes should be broken down and destroyed. They ought to be put under one roof or in a stable, like Gypsies, in order that they may realize that they ... are ... but miserable captives." "They should be deprived of their prayerbooks and Talmuds.""Their rabbis must be forbidden under threat of death to teach any more."

"Die verfluchte Huhre, Vernunft." (The damned whore, Reason).

"Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but -- more frequently than not -- struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God."

"Reason should be destroyed in all Christians."

"The Jews are the most miserable people on earth. They are plagued everywhere, and scattered about all countries, having no certain resting place. They sit as on a wheelbarrow, without a country, people or government... but they are rightly served, for seeing they refused have Christ and his gospel, instead of freedom they must have servitude."

"Whoever wants to be a Christian should tear the eyes out of his Reason."

Dolores Lear

The 'Books' in the Christian Bible, can give a Time Line, from 'Before' and 'After', the Noah/Atlantis Planetary Flood. BF and AF.

The Books do not have Planetary Flood destruction, except in Genesis 6-8, accepted as a 40 day flood, that lasted over 1 year.

Humans now have the High Tech Science, to translate the Supernatural Events of the 'Word' of God/Life.

The Supernatural Acts BF, are about the Peace God that Colonized Earth and made Perfect Humans, and, about Body Birth High Tech Killer Humans.

The Supernatural Killing God, is the High Tech Killer Noah/Atlantis Society, and the Planetary Flood Destruction of that Society.

AF up to Jesus' time, Humans were busy, repopulating the Ruined Planet, and Killing Each Other. Humans are again, the High Tech Science Killer Society Species, as it was in the Days of Noah.

There are two Abrahams, recorded as the in the Old Testament Books, that are translated in the Christian Bible. The Abraham with Lot in Sodom and Gomorrah, with the Atomic bombs, was BF.

Abraham that came from the East, and settle in the Mid-East was AF. Abraham's first son Ishmael had 12 sons that became princes, who settled in the Mid-East.

Abraham's son Isaac had two sons. Jacob and Esau. Jacob had 12 sons the Jerusalem area. Esau went East, and with Ishmael, their Ancestors are the Muslims of today.

The Children of Israel in the Desert was BF. The Killer God in the Wilderness was not our Peace Ancestors, but the Planetwide Killer Noah/Atlantis High Tech Society.

Zoroaster was a descendant of Esau or Ishmael. David was the descendant of Isaac.

The Bible is the Code Book, with BF, AF, and High Tech Science information.

IGGY - www.KCFreeThinkers.org

Martin Luther - Part 3

"Heretics are not to be disputed with, but to be condemned unheard, and whilst they perish by fire, the faithful ought to pursue the evil to its source, and bathe their heads in the blood of the Catholic bishops, and of the Pope, who is the devil in disguise."[Martin Luther, Riffel, Kirchengeschichte]

"I confess that mankind has a free will, but it is to milk kine, to build houses, etc., and no further."[Martin Luther, Table Talk]

"Jews and papists are ungodly wretches; they are two stockings made of one piece of cloth."[Martin Luther, Table Talk]


"Whoever would like to cherish such adders and puny devils -- who are the worst enemies of Christ and us all all -- to befriend them and to do them honour simply in order to be cheated, plundered, robbed, disgraced, and forced to howl and curse and suffer every kind of evil, to him I would commend the Jews. And if this is not enough, let him tell the Jews to use his mouth as a privy, or else crawl into the Jew's hind parts, and there worship the holy thing, so as afterwards to be able to boast of having been merciful, and of having helped the Devil and his progeny to blaspheme our dear Lord." [Martin Luther, "Hitler's Spiritual Ancestor" by Peter F. Weiner (1985, Gustav Broukal Press)]

"If I had to baptise a Jew, I would take him to the bridge of the Elbe, hang a stone around his neck and push him over with the words 'I baptise thee in the name of Abraham'." [Martin Luther, "Hitler's Spiritual Ancestor" by Peter F. Weiner (1985, Gustav Broukal Press)]

Dolores Lear

What is Moral? Why do Humans Lie to God, and Kill Each Other?

"God's Daily Promise" This week's promise: Lies will be exposed."
"Exposing hypocrisy."
But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who push the truth away from themselves. Romans 1:18 NLT
The Lord hates those who don't keep their word, but he delights in those who do. Proverbs 12:22 NLT"

Does Religion teach about a Loving God, and then have Bible verses about an angry, hating God? Did the Peace Loving God change, to a Hating Killer God in Religions and Myth?

The Loving Peace Lord God, Reproduced the Original Colony of Equal Male and Female Human Clones Species, in their Human Image', Supernaturally, by the 'Higher Nature' of High Tech Science.

The Perfect Male and Female Clones, Had Free Will. The Brother/Sister Clones did Reproduced Human Beings, by Heterosexual Body Birth, the 'Lower Nature' of the Human Species, called the Original Sin.

The Second Sin was Lying to the Lord God, about the Heterosexual Act that led to Body Birth. Ever since males and females lost their Free Will, Equality, and their Soul Mate.

The Two were One Soul in Genetics and Physical Traits. The Two, one male and one female made 'One' Soul, in the Body Birth Child. Ever since Heterosexual Body Birth Human Mates, are looking for their Soul Mate, their Other Half.

The Third Sin was Brothers/Sisters killing All Life on Earth. All other Sins of Commission or Omission are from Birth Defects, and Environment.

Sins/Mistakes are committed by Humans, that have No Choice of 'Who' their Parents are, 'What' was the Environment 'Where' they are born. Our prisons of full of the 'When' and 'Why' Defective Humans are there.


Just Thinking

As usual, a day late and a dollar short, KCFreeThinker. You do understand that an attack on Martin Luther is not an attack on Christianity don't you? That is called an 'ad hominem' attack; it has nothing to do with rational argument or valid debate.

ad hominem
1 : appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect
2 : marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made

Can we expect more personal attacks as a substitute for rational thought, now that your naive views of science have been systematically debunked?

First, your ideas of determinism were debunked, ideas that created the false impression that everything which happens is COMPLETELY determined by physical laws. Terrible misconception that shows you know NOTHING of the last CENTURY's science. Then, of course, you applied those antiquated ideas to develop a philosophy that was in error, trying to 'prove' something about religion using a naive philosophy which cannot be reconciled with modern science, let alone applied to religion.

Physical measurements of information content were used to explain to you that naturally occurring processes cannot yet account for the information content of the genetic code. You and Greg became uncontrollably emotional. You revealed that you were incapable of addressing issues logically and rationally, thereby excluding you from any intelligent discussions of science.

Were you shocked yesterday when I so easily refuted naive notions that something cannot be in more than one place at a time? The numerous wrong statements made about science in this blog reveal incredibe ignorance of modern science.

At least now you're staying away from science where your ignorance and irrationality are easily PROVED. Honestly, don't you tire of the illogical, emotional, punitive frenzy that characterizes your interactions with others?

Dolores Lear

KC.

Thank you for your Lutheran posts.

I grew up with 1st generation USA born German parents, in the Lutheran Religion.

I was not exposed to all these writings of Luther, in the Church Literature. I can understand all these problems today.

I was encouraged not to marry a Catholic, Jew, Italian or a Black.

Many females in my time, were also raised this Way, in the Christian Religion. That is why older White women still do not feel comfortable voiting for a Black man, even if he is half White and a Christian. He looks Black.

To me if people that lived in Germany had an education in Luther's writings, it is easy to see their opposition to the 'lower' classes, and trying to Breed a Better Class of Humans.

God's chosen Children, are White USA Christians!

This 'Lie' is hard to overcome today, With the mixing of all Skin Colors, during the past 100 year, population explosion.

What a Planetary Education, we are getting with Computers.

IGGY - www.KCFreeThinkers.org

JT,

I've posted response to your "dog in the atomic world" tyrade. Bill did not post it the other day. I posted it again today and he did not post it again.

Sorry, take it up with him - actually, I agree with you that objects can be in different places at the same time. I agree with you on almost everything scientifically, we disagree that there is no god on the atomic level.

You just don't have a bible quote on it.

I hope that Bill will post this.

IGGY - www.KCFreeThinkers.org

Below is interactive map with links to Kansas City FreeThinking groups and links to calendar of events, locations and topics

This weekend is full of activities

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Saturday, September 27, 2008

3:00 p.m. - Secular Organization for Sobriety (Save OurSelves)

6:30 p.m. - Heartland Humanist's September Dinner

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Sunday, September 28, 2008

7-8 a.m. - Voice of Reason Radio Show on 90.1 FM, KKFI, Kansas City Community Radio

10:00 a.m. - Skeptical Religious Study - Hinduism
11:15 a.m. - Islam

Time: 11:00 a.m.
Science & Science Fiction Book Club

12:00 p.m. Community of Reason Membership Meeting
1:00 p.m. - Lecture "Missionary Positions: A New Approach to Sexual Ethics" by Rev. Rebecca Turner

Time: 3:30 p.m.
Event: Cross Meetup of KC FreeThought Meetups
Place: Planet Sub, 4928 Main St, Kansas City, MO 64112

Here is the map - http://maps.live.com/?v=2&encType=1&cid=4D8DA718D9A52953!1082

Just Thinking

KCFreeThinkers.org,

There's one thing we can count on you for: shamelessly self-serving purposes. You're not interested in discussing truth in this forum. You're not interested in honest intellectual discussion or debate. You're interested in promoting yourself and some outside organization. If you want advertising in the KCStar, then why not buy it? Publicity stunts often backfire, you know.

Your games in this forum have backfired in at least two major ways:

1. You've made up scientific facts to support ridiculous theories, and your fictional science has been exposed. You profess great knowledge, but you have not demonstrated deep understanding of ANYTHING. You ACTUALLY thought that everything in science was COMPLETELY determined by laws and equations. Such deterministic nonsense was abandoned by the mainstream scientific community 100 years agao. How could you not have been aware that determinism was replaced over 100 years ago? You could have read any cheesy magazine article on the subject and picked up more than you know. Obviously, you don't SEEK Truth.

2. You arrogantly thought that tiny, insignificant observations could logically dispell ALL notions of God, where deep thoughts of thousands of years of true geniuses failed. Only isolationism and arrogance could possibly explain that attitude. The only thing you've shown us to date is that you have no DEEP knowledge of anything that you like to discuss here. It's been PROVED many times.

You showed here up advertising a billboard and an organization. Anyone who would think about showing up to one of your meetings should know by know that you are either an intellectual fraud or sadly misinformed.

Your self-serving agenda and tactics are transparent. Seeking Truth doesn't enter into your equation. Where else do you peddle your wares?

adam harrison

J.T., over at the Atheist Nexus KCFreethought has a page called "Iggy's page".

On it, he gives away some of the shenanigans he has pulled, and, when confronted, begs the discoverer of the same not to post on his page anymore!

Of course, that does not stop him from posting non responsive irrational nonsense here. It is really somewhat amusing that he likes to dish it out, but he can't take it without getting defensive.

adam harrison

By the way, since Patricia recommends Nietzsche, and Nietzsche is one of KC/Iggy's favorite atheists, I think some quotes from him might be in order.

Since Patricia recommends Thus Spake Zarathrustra, how about:

"Goes thou to woman? Takest thou they whip!"

Or:

"Some way a good cause sanctifieth any war. Nay, I say a good war sanctifieth any cause!"

It is no coincidence that according to William L. Shirer, author of The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, that Nietzsche was Hitler's favorite philospher!

adam harrison

I would seriously recommend that no one click on one of KCFreethoughts links.

Dolores Lear

"God's Daily Promise" 9/28/08. This week's promise: Lies will be exposed What's wrong with a little plagiarism?

"I hate and abhor all falsehood, but I love your law. Psalm 119:163 NLT

"The Commandments warn against stealing, against bearing false witness, against coveting. Plagiarius is kidnapper in Latin. The plagiarist snatches the writer's brainchildren, pieces of his soul…

The only charming plagiarism belongs to the young. Schoolchildren shovel information out of an encyclopedia."

I plagiarize, the words of Genesis. A High Tech translation of a Super'natural' Creation/Colonization, of Life on a Planet.

And, a High Tech Super'natural' Reproduction of Human Males, and Identical Reproduction of Equal Genetic and Physical Female Clones, from the male rib.

Today, Humans Know how to 'Super'naturally Colonize Planets, and Reproduce Clones in the Lab. We also Know Humans can reproduce Body parts in the Lab. We are working on a Human Heart.

My Great Granddaughter has a Pig Valve to keep her Alive. Why not make her a Human valve from her stem cells, instead of Nuclear Bombs?

We are also 'Gods' today, in Human Form, like the Gods in the Bible. The Gods were Higher Science Human 'Beings', than the 'natural' Born Human Beings in our Past.

In the 1940s, some New Guinea Native Humans, called our Pilots Gods. Natives called Steve Fossett flying in a Balloon, a God flying up in the air.

Today, we have the High Tech Science. We just need to Reproduce Perfect Genetic and Physical Humans in a High Tech Womb, to be Perfect Humans like the Adam and Eve Clones. We need Clean Energy to Power our Aircraft and Spaceships.

Humans can Create a Moral World. With High Tech Birth and Regeneration Science, Humans can have Eternal Physical Life After Birth, on Planets and in Spaceships, Forever and Ever. Amen.


Dolores Lear

J.T.

What is Your Truth for Celibate, Heterosexual, Bisexual, Homosexual, Transsexual, (CHBHT) Humans in all Races, Religions and Governments on Planet Earth, Reproduced by Heterosexual Body Birth?

Why not translate, the Truth of the High Tech Science Perfect Human Asexual Male and Female Clone Helpmeets in Genesis, not reproduced by Heterosexual Body Birth, 'as it was in the beginning', in Genesis?

Adam and Eve were our Human Ancestors, who reproduced Cain and Abel by Heterosexual Body Birth.

Humans have disagreed, since the Fall of Humans to Heterosexual Body Birth, with Inequality and Killing, and Death, as to the Truth of the Religion and Myth God writings.

Why not use our High Tech Science to Understand about Jesus, The God with Eternal Physical Human Life After Birth?

Instead of Killing Each Other, over their Spirit 'Being', NonHuman God of Religion and Myth, that was created by Humans without High Tech Science Knowledge?

Jesus is Alive in a Human Body, and is in the Image of the Human Father of Life on Earth.
Jesus, nor the Male and Female Father of Life on Earth, are Spirit 'Beings'.

IGGY - www.KCFreeThinkers.org

Bill Tammeus asks>>>>If you were to think through history's long list of religious leaders, which one would you describe as "the first creator of the moral world in which we live"?


Here are some so called "Truths" and some "moral codes" that are found in the New Testament. Enjoy!

Jesus forbids the taking of any kind of oath. Yet Christians in courtrooms throughout the United States place their right hand on the Bible swear to tell the truth. Matthew 5:34-37

After Jesus kills the herd of pigs by sending devils into them, the "whole city" asks him to leave. I don't blame them. Who wants to have a person like that hanging around their livestock? Matthew 8:34

Jesus gives his disciples "power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness." We know that all ilness is the direct result of weak faith and disbelief in god. We got first wacko doctors in Jesus' desciples - nobody today thinks (not even doctors or some wacko Chrsitians that illness is because of your weak faith) Matthew 10:1

Families will be torn apart because of Jesus (this is one of the few "prophecies" in the Bible that has actually come true). "Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." Ouch, families will be killing each other for god's word! Praise Jesus! 10:21

Just Thinking

When you read about Hitler, you find that he was a liar, with a mission in life to avoid honest work. So he started running his mouth in order to rally the ignorant, hateful masses to his cause of ignorance and hatred--people paid to hear Hitler's hatred. Hateful, fed-up people started to pay to hear Hitler spewing lies and hatred after dark.

It's easy to rally people through hatred because hatred is such a strong emotion. And it's easy to spew dozens and dozens of lies. Correctly debunking each one of those lies can take massive effort. Fast-talking liars know what they're doing. Their goal is not Truth. It's a smokescreen. Throw up confusion and chaos and a smokescreen of lies.

Whenever you see someone stand in favor of hatred and vile outpourings of lies, then you're looking at the face of evil itself. The Devil is the father of Destruction and lies. Lies are always part of the 'trick' to deceive. When a person deliberately babbles about things of which they know nothing, they are NOT 'innocent liars.' They are DELIBERATE LIARS. THEY KNOW THEY ARE IGNORANT and haven't studied; so miscomprehension is't the cause. Deliberate deception is the root cause. A lack of concern for the Truth is the root cause of someone babbling on and on about things of which they know nothing. It's a smokescreen.

Taking one quote out of context after another, assembling them into large piles and spewing them rapid fire is nothing more than someone throwing up a smokescreen. They're out to deceive. They're out to recruit for their dishonest cause. They're probably out to profit. IT'S NEVER SELFLESS. DEFINITIVELY showing that the person has perpetrated deliberate lies is tough, but is the only possible defense. Lies about science are DEFINITIVELY debunked.

adam harrison

JT, your last post is one of the best refutations of KC Iggy that I have seen.

You earlier noted that he came on here talking about his billboard and their meetings and I can tell you DEFINITELY that his stirring the pot here is about PUBLICITY, trading on Bill's noteriety.

(They admitted this at a meeting a couple of weeks ago so you are right on target.)

And you are quite right that they are out for profit, as over at the KCFreethought site they are actually asking for money.

But as to his tactics, to be fair he is simply doing what he was raised to do in the Soviet Union in the 70's and 80's. He told my uncle at a meeting that he had to take classes in atheism and the educational system was directed toward that end.

The thing is, if he was really that bright he would have realized that the system he was raised under FAILED to destroy religion and in fact self destructed.

He is a has been, and in my opinion your refutations here have destroyed his last ounce of credibility, as he does not even TRY to refute them.

Dolores Lear

Hatred and Lies about our Brothers/Sisters of Life, for Hitler and the German Christians, is no different than the Hatred and Lies that got the USA and it's Christians into WW1, WW2, Vietnam, and Iraq.

So Christians should start following a Loving God and Jesus, instead of the False Killing God.

Eternal Life is for Living Humans with High Tech Science, After Birth, not for Dead Humans After Death.

An eye for an eye, is not Christian Morals.

IGGY - www.KCFreeThinkers.org

"Truths in New Testament" - Part 2 - This is just in Matthew

John the Baptist is still not sure about Jesus (he's in prison and is soon to die). He sends his disciples to ask, "Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another?" Well, if he isn't sure after seeing and hearing the events at Jesus' baptism, then how can anyone else be? Matthew 11:3

"And from the days of John the Baptist until now...." Until when? (John the Baptist was still alive when this verse was supposedly uttered.) Jesus continues to bewilder his poor disciples by saying, "The kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force." Matthew 11:12

Herod thought Jesus was a resurrected John the Baptist. Apparently, it was a common opinion at the time (See Mt.16.13-14, Mk.6:14-15, 8:27-28, Lk.9:7-8, 18-19). If so many of Jesus' contemporaries could be so easily fooled regarding John the Baptist, what does this do to the credibility of Jesus' resurrection? Matthew 14:1-2

The disciples wonder where they will get the bread to feed four thousand. But they should know by now, since Jesus just did the same trick in Matthew 14:14-21. Why not ask him "JC, why don't you repeat the same trick?" These stories are probably the result of two oral versions of the same fictitious story. Matthew 15:33

Opinions were divided regarding the identity of Jesus, but many thought that he was the risen John the Baptist. The fact that people could be so easily fooled regarding the Baptist's "resurrection" casts doubt on the resurrection of Jesus. 16:14

a theist

I am going to find a Islamic blog.

There I will disprove the Quran by pointing out inconstancies.

How many Muslims do you think I will convince?

adam harrison

KCFreethinker (IGGY) has demonstrated that he is not capabale of "thought" at all, but only capable of quote mining.

In fact, I do not believe he even reads these blogs; he said elsewhere that he uses a computer program to spam religious blogs.

Exactly as he is doing here; otherwise he would have surely tried to deny what he told my uncle, as I noted in my last post.

I think we can pretty much be done with him, he is reduced to mindless repetition.

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