Are there more atheists? 9-24-08
Entering the 'Luther Decade': 9-26-08

Toward understanding Muslims: 9-25-08

As I've traveled around the country since 9/11, I've heard all kinds of anger at Islam and lots of prejudice against American Muslims -- along with some legitimate criticism of Muslim leaders here and around the world.

Islamcrescent

In all of this, I get the sense that most Americans don't know any Muslims. Thus, they base their opinions on the goofball hate mongers on talk radio or other unreliable sources.

Starting yesterday, there's a new and better online source for people to use to become more familiar with Muslims around the country and their individual stories. It's called www.changethestory.net, and, as a press release from the sponsoring organization, Intersections, described it, will "feature video interviews of U.S. Muslims from around the country, discussion guides for religious leaders on how to hold interfaith dialogues, as well as various educational tools to be used in classrooms across the country."

Because I was unable until yesterday afternoon to access the new Web site for this project, I'm not able to give you a good review of its effectiveness. But from what I saw yesterday, there's lots of interesting material available. You should be able to surf around on it today and decide for yourself whether it will be useful to you and your faith community, if any. I think it will be.

I also invite you to familiarize yourself with the Intersections group at its site I've linked you to above. I didn't know much about the group until I learned about the launch of this new site, but it clearly has an active and ambitious agenda.

Prejudice often grows out of fear, which grows out of ignorance (though sometimes legitimate fear grows out of knowledge). The more we can know about others the more likely we are not to misjudge them. This new site should help with that task.

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RELIGIOUS OBJECTIONS TO WAR

A federal judge has ordered that the Army grant an honorable discharge to an Iraq war veteran who says he became a conscientious objector while there. I'm glad that C.O. status is legitimate and available but, given the aggression in the world, I'm glad not all Americans want C.O. status.

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P.S.: Yet another reminder about leaving comments here: You may post no more than five times a day with a maximum of 300 words each. Sometimes I give you a bit of slack on the 300-word count but not on the five times a day count. Thanks. Bill.

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Comments

Just Thinking

Notice that President Bush is back in that mode of: "Be afraid. Be very, very afraid." Now it's about the econony. But the request is the same as with the Iraq war:

"We must act now. We must be very, very afraid. The sky is falling. You must grant unlimited authority to spend huge sums of money with no accountability. Only your President is qualifed to solve this problem. You must act today. The sky is falling. Otherwise all the banks will fail, your house will be worth nothing, and your retirement will be gone tomorrow." Ahuh. Sleazy car salesman tactics.

And the last time we heard that line we ended up in a war that should not have been fought. Congress acted in haste and unconstitutionally gave over power to the President to declare war. And now we're stuck in a war that should have never been fought, while politicians argue over how we will know when we have won this war that should have never been fought. (Interesting how they still cannot come up with a criteria for knowing how we've won, isn't it?) Yeah, we trust you, Mr. President. You just ooze competence.

Just say, "No!!!" to Corporate welfare and idiot Presidents who want to usurp proper authority by telling the American People more Chicken Little stories. The sky is not falling, but it will be falling if we let Bush take control over another important decision that should be well-considered and not made in haste. I see more no-bid Cheney/Haliburton contracts on the horizon with ZERO accountability. I see more disasters with endless excuses and finger-pointing.

The only thing you can really count on President Bush to do is REFUSE any measure of responsibility or accountability. And, play the chicken little card.

adam harrison

Bill, when you talk about the anger expressed about Muslims, there is not much that can match the hate expressed by the new atheist crowd.

The most shining examples are Sam Harris and Christopher Hithchens.
Sam Harris for example goes so far as to make excuses for pre-emptive nuclear strikes in his book The End of Faith. (page 129). He also makes excuses for the use of torture and the MECCA OPTION, involving the nuclear destruction of Mecca. (Another advocate of this is Hector Avalos, author of Fighting Words, in which he blames all the problems of the world on religion, and which is highly reminiscent of Richard Dawkins.)

Harris specifically says, "Some propositions are so dangerous, that it may be ethical to kill people for believing them." (pages 52-53) He is apparently quite serious, and we know that officially atheistic governments have ALWAYS engaged in this practice.

Christopher Hithcns is also a well known advocate of striking against the Muslims whenever we get the chance, and is a tireless advocate of the Iraq war.

So who says atheists have a problem with war?

Dolores Lear

I do not Know any Muslims, so will review this site. My concern is not Religion, but Humans Killing All Life on Earth.

Where did the Speck of Dirt come from, that made our Universe. From God? Evolution? Will Humans made of 'Dirt', ever Know where Dirt came from? Who or What make our Sun/Solar System of Spaceship Planets, with Human Life as we Know it? An Unknown, called GOD?

Why is the Human Species, Killing Each Other, and their Home Planet? Who is the Higher Intelligence in Charge of Life on Earth? God? Devil? The World? Our Flesh Lust? Heterosexuals? Atheist?

In the Past 100 years, Humans have had a High Tech Science Knowledge Explosion, to make Nuclear Weapons on land and sea. Also a Sexual Revolution, and Population Explosion, that is Polluting our Land area, and Smothering our Eco System Dirt, with Filth and Nuclear Waste.

Why are the Gods of Earth, letting Humans Kill Their Home Planet? Is it by God's Will, for Humans to Kill? Do Evolved Humans have Free Will, to Kill All Life, that they can Reproduce? Why Choose Nuclear Bombs with their Free Will?

Either Way, Spaceship Earth has too many Killing Passengers, instead of Conscientious Objectors, and our Spaceship Earth is about Crash and Burn Up.

Is it up to God, Evolution, or, Asexual Humans, to be Equal Perfect Physical High Tech Male and Female Human Clones, like Adam and Eve? Should Humans use their High Tech Science 'for' Eternal Physical Life After Birth, instead of Life After Death?

Humans Should Fly in Space, in Fiery Chariot Spaceships, to keep Eternal Asexual Physical Life After Birth on Planets and in Spaceships.

Dolores Lear

This first event in this High Tech Translation, I was made aware of, was the Planetary Noah/Atlantis Flood as a High Tech Society before the Planetary Flood.

The rain began, and lasted for 6 months. The Sky did 'fall', because there was an Ice-Crystal Canopy that protected Earth from the Ultraviolet Rays of the Sun, along with the Ozone Canopy. The Ice did fall, from Atlantis's Pollution, and is at our Poles today. Science still has to prove this Ice event.

The Chicken Little Story, 'the sky is falling', was a myth about this Rain Event. Before the Flood it did not rain. When the rain started, the Ice did fall, sometime during the first 6 months of the year long Flood, and did destroy that Civilization.

The few Humans that survived, started our Present Society, with only the Ozone Canopy for protection. Now we talk about the Ozone Canopy being destroyed from our Pollution.

This will result after the Judgment Day Fire also predicted in Religion. None of this is Caused by God, but about a Lifestyle of Mis-bred Heterosexual Reproduced Species of Humans.

High Tech Pure-bred Humans do have Eternal Physical Life After Birth, and can escape on Spaceships, when their Sun Dies from natural erosion.

Earth will Die from our Nuclear Waste and Pollution on Land and Sea before our Sun Dies, and be a Planet like Mars, instead of Venus.

Earth was like Venus before High Tech Science Colonization. The Perfect Humans did Fall and make an Imperfect Human Killer Race by Heterosexual Body Birth.

Our Current History is from the Planetary Flood up to the Present. There are many writings, scriptures, and myths about the High Tech Colonization of Earth, and the Killing Noah/Atlantis Society.

I am the Chicken Little of today.

Put in Dolores Lear on Google. On my web site, I explain this in the Flood Section.


IGGY - www.KCFreeThinkers.org

Part 1

To understand Muslims, one needs to understand their holy book Quran.

Or as JustThinking said, if there are lies and twists, it needs to be exposed.

Muslims are the best people. Most Non-muslims are "evil-livers." The Family Of 'Imran 3:110 - sounds familiar "The fool said "There is no god? He is evil and vile, nothing he does is good?" - yep, it's in the Bible

Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes, as he did the Sabbath-breakers. (See 2:65-66) 4: Women 4:47

And my favorite one FROM APOLOGETICAL STANDPOINT of Circlular Logic - If the Quran was not from Allah its critics would find some mistakes in it. (The Quran filled with mistakes. It is a silly, error-filled book. But even if the Quran didn't contain a single error, it would not prove that it was from Allah.) Women 4:82

Allah warns believers not to ask to many questions. (Honest answers will cause them to lose their faith.) 5: The Table Spread 5:101

The disciples of Jesus were muslims! The Table Spread 5:111

Those who deny Muhammad's revelations are like dogs. 7:176

Invisible armies!
Allah supported Muhammad with armies that no one else could see. Repentance 9:40

Denying the revelations of Allah is the worst sin imaginable. Jonah 10:17

The Quran is so perfect it could never be invented. Go ahead and try to write a Surah as great as those in the Quran. Jonah 10:37-38

Mary, the mother of Jesus, was the sister of Aaron. (Apparently, Muhammad confused Mary with Miriam.) Mary 19:27-28

IGGY - www.KCFreeThinkers.org

Part 2 - Quran -

Let us all take seriously what JustThinking wrote: If it can't pass the '100% truth test' (clearly a "spin" for "lie") on either side, then it should be exposed. Let us expose Quran, just like the Bible for what it is based on facts and knowledge we have today.

Every person alive (even new born babies) at the time of the flood was evil. So Allah drowned them all. The Prophets 21:77

Talking ants! The Ant 27:18

Solomon is upset that the hoopee is not among the birds in his army. The Ant 27:20

Noah was 950 years old at the time of the flood. [Genesis (7:11) says he was only 600.] The Spider 29:14

Allah makes the deeds of unbelievers fruitless. (And that is easy for Allah.) 33:19

By some magic of quantum mechanics and perhaps inflation theory Allah made the wind obey Solomon. Sad 38:34-36

Allah made the stars as missiles to throw at devils. The Sovereignty 67:5

Disbelievers live in denial. The Mansions of the Stars 85:19

The Quran "is a conclusive word." The Morning Star 86:13

Only religious people help orphans or those in need. How about Warren Buffet and Bill Gates - agnostics/atheists - the richest people in the world have given/pledged almost all their wealth to humanitarian causes Small Kindnesses 107:1-3

Dolores Lear

"God's Daily Promises" 9/25,08. This week's promise: Lies will be exposed What's so bad about a little lie?"
"Truth stands the test of time; lies are soon exposed. Proverbs 11:17 NLT"

"Lying is the basic fault line in the foundation of the soul, putting all the superstructure in jeopardy. All the believability a person has, his very integrity, totters on the shifting sand of one lie. Deceit holds hostage all other virtues. Robertson C. McQuilken"

What was the Big Lie in Genesis 3? This Lie affected all Human Bodies since, and caused the Human Physical Body to Die. Religion teaches, the Soul Spark keeps on Living out of the Body, at Death, but the Physical Body returns to Dirt at Death.

We again have the High Tech Science Knowledge, of Seen and Unseen GOD Elements. The Holy Spirit and the Soul are the High Tech Science Electro-Magnetic Force. The Atom is the Dirt.

How do Humans that lost their High Tech Science Knowledge, translate this idea of a Soul that never Dies? When a Human Life Species Dies, we Know the Physical Body returns to Dirt, in the Bible.

Today, Have we Evolved up to this High Tech Science Knowledge, or was it with the Higher Human 'Beings' 'in the beginning', called Gods, Goddesses and Angels 'in our Image'?

What happens to the Soul Element? Religion says what the Unseen Soul Element Returns to God. Today Science calls this the Universe, of which our Earth is a small part. Humans are Entities in the Universe, as ants are to a Planet.

Are Humans today ready to accept a High Tech Science Translation of the Bible, All Scriptures, and Myth, to find the Truth about the Religious 'Heaven' for Dead Humans, and Eternal Physical Life After Birth on Planets and in Spaceships for Alive Humans?

High Tech Can Prove, the Biblical Truth, that it is Possible for the Humans Species to Have Purebred Eternal Physical Male and Female Clone Life After Birth, Alive on Planets and in Spaceships.

Joe Barone

Terrific name--changethestory.net. So many of our prejudicial stories are stereotypes.

adam harrison

Apparently KC Freethought is only capable of quote mining.
He does the same thing to the Quran as he does to the Bible.
That said, I offer no defense whatsoever of the Quran, other than to say that Harris and Hitchens and the New Atheists submit proposals, like pre-emptive nuclear war and the MECCA OPTION that couldn't kill Muslims fast enough to satisfy atheists.

adam harrison

By the way, Iggy, maybe you missed the question about the You Tube Video of Bill.

YOU asked him a question (and work on your pronunciation would you?) but YOU DELETED his response.

Why? Was its because his answer swamped you?

By the way, what do you think of the Russian atrocities in Georgia?

Just Thinking

President Bush on May 19, 2008
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"Our economy has continued growing, consumers are spending, business are investing, exports continue increasing and American productivity remains strong. We can have confidence in the long-term foundation of our economy...I think the system basically is sound. I truly do."

President Bush Yesterday
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President Bush told us yesterday that we are on the BRINK OF COLLAPSE unless we do something NOW!!! Where has this man been that he could not see it unfolding last month? With all his "experts," why does it come down to doing something NOW? TODAY! This is the most imcompetent President we've ever had.

"We're IN THE MIDST of a serious financial crisis ... As a result our entire economy is in danger."

"The government's top economic experts warn that, without immediate action by Congress, America could slip into a financial panic and a distressing scenario would unfold. More banks could fail, including some in your community. The stock market would drop even more, which would reduce the value of your retirement account. The value of your home could plummet. Foreclosures would rise dramatically."

Unlimited authority and no oversight
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As I mentioned before, Bush wants us to hand over UNLIMITED authority without responsibility or oversight. It's the Iraq war situation all over again: unlimited power with no oversight or responsibility.

The Paulson Proposed Bailout Plan:

"Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency."

Ahuh, and we want to trust $700,000,000,000 to Paulson and his cronies? Based on what? Here is what Paulson said on March 16, 2008

"Our policy in this administration -- laws shouldn't bail out lenders, laws shouldn't help speculators."

IGGY - www.KCFreeThinkers.org

Posted by: a theist | September 24, 2008 at 08:31 PM
Am I supposed to care what happens to you?

adamh,

Yes, you are supposed to care what happens to him and to everybody else because you are a Christian. If you do not not, then you have a very peculiar interpretation of Christianity. You seem to always ask if there are any believers on this blog, in Jesus Christ that is. I believe the quotes below show that you have to start looking deeper into yourself and start deconstructing your bizarre Christian philosophy that seems like not too many Christians share.


Be careful how you speak; words can do great damage. Proverbs 21 21:23

Speak plainly and honestly to others. Proverbs 4:24

"Whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things." Phillippians 4:8

"Thou shalt have a perfect and just weight."
Be honest when you deal with others. Don't cheat. Dt 25:13-15

Deutoronomy 26:12-13
"The stranger, the fatherless, and the widow"
Take care of those who need help. Greg is a stranger to you, his parents may not be with us any more, don't know if he's a widower or not. That is not the point.

Gary Westhues

Welcome to strangers? Like you all do at the atheist meetings, ridiculing them, filming them without permission, and posting the videos? You mean that kind of welcome?
And Greg is no stranger to me. My dealings with him have always been unpleasant. I don't think that at any time I have ever been in the same room with him that he condescended to even acknowledge my existence, although he did bad mouth me latter.

By the way, I am still wondering why you deleted the response Bill gave to your questions.

In fact, come to think of it, I don't think he has ever said a complete sentence to me.

Joe Barone

Bill, I went to the changethestory.net site and then to the Facebook page connected with it. Both are excellent. They did help me see people as individuals. Thanks for sharing that link.

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