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THIS JUST IN

Billy Graham's wife Ruth, the long love of his life, died this afternoon. She was 87. A sad day in the Graham family.

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THE MARRIAGE-FAITH CONNECTION

A college professor says there seems to be a link between marital fidelity and religious belief. So, then, was King David the exception that proves the rule?

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SAINTHOOD FOR PIUS XII?

A bit over a month ago, I wrote again here on the blog (in a P.S.) about a subject I've dealt with several times -- the role Pope Pius XII (pictured here) played (or didn't play) in the Holocaust to save Jews.

Pope_pius_xiiThe issue has surfaced most recently because of the move to have the Vatican declare Pius XII a saint. Some think that should happen yesterday. Others say that decision should wait until the Vatican archives finally releases all documents pertinent to the question, and that hasn't happened yet. I find myself in sympathy with the latter group.

So I was a little surprised to read this account and commentary by a man whose work I greatly respect, John L. Allen Jr. of the National Catholic Reporter. John thinks Pius should be granted sainthood almost immediately as a way of removing a matter of considerable contention in the church and between the church and many Jews and Jewish organizations.

The value of John's piece, I think, lies more in its recounting of the various arguments for and against Pius in this case and less in John's opinion (weak, in my view) that making him a saint will reduce tension.

John may well be right that what remains to be uncovered in the Vatican archives will not shed a great deal more light on this difficult subject, but instead of guessing about that, let's wait to find out. The on-going discussion of the role of the church and its leadership in the Holocaust is one well worth having and not cutting short.

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Comments

Ron

"A college professor says there seems to be a link between marital fidelity and religious belief."

Duh.

What a surprising finding. Someone should nominate these genuises for a Nobel Prize or something.

Dolores Lear

In the beginning, there was no marriage bed. There was no need for marriage fidelity. Religion was started after Adam and Eve sinned and the marriage bed and rules was established for Body Birth reproduction.
When Adam and Eve were reproduced by High Tech, the Higher Nature of Reproduction, they were Asexual Clone Helpmeets, the Two were One Duplicate Genetic male and female entity, or, Two in One Same Type Human Body. They were High Tech Birth Clones, not Body Birth reproduction mates.
When they 'fell' to Body Birth, the Lower Nature of reproduction, The Two in One Entity became One in the Child, Cain.
The sex act, marriage bed, joining/marriage, did not make them One, the Two became One in the Child.
Ever since, High Tech knowledge was handed down and translated as supernatural.

The Noah/Atlantis Society also had a High Tech knowledge of weapons, and a population explosion, like we are having today.
They may have learned this Clone Truth, like we are today, but most of them were destroyed in the Planetary Flood, and Man again set about repopulating the planet, still with the Fallen Killing Nature of Body Birth.
Now we have had a population and knowledge explsoion like in the days of Noah, and have set up the Planetary Judgement Day Fire with our pollution and nuclear bombs. Evil is rampant.

Genesis 6:5. KJV. "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually."

Genesis 6:5, 11-13. The Living Bible. "Now a population explosion took place upon the earth. It was at this time that beings from the spirit world looked upon the beautiful earth women and took any they desired to be their wives. - Meanwhile, the crime rate was rising rapidly across the earth, and, as seen by God, the world was rotten to the core. As God observed how bad it was, and saw that all mankind was vicious and depraved, he said to Noah, "I have decided to destroy all mankind; for the earth is filled with crime because of man. Yes, I will destroy mankind from the earth."

Can 'Beings' from the spirit world have sex with Physical Humans? What is a Spirit 'Being'? God? The Christian Bible needs a High Tech translation, to know the Truth of High Tech Pure-bred Human Life that can Live Forever on Planets and in Spaceships.

God did not destroy the Noah/Atlantis Society, their misuse of their High Tech did, just as we are doing today.
Now again, without the High Tech knowledge to translate the Noah/Atlantis time was as it is today, we can know God did not destroy them with the Planetary Flood.
Their misuse of High Tech pollution and weapons did.

Our misuse of High Tech pollution and weapons will destroy the Earth with the Planetary Judgement Day Fire. Then our Eco System will be destroyed and Life as we know it cannot continue on Earth.
God, our High Tech Ancestors do not kill. Tranlating the Bible without High Tech knowledge blamed God for all the killing that Fallen Man did to our planet.

We have proof today, that it is Fallen High Tech Humans that are Killing our Home Planet's Eco System and all Life on Earth, not our High Tech Ancestors, miscalled God in religion and myth.
They will return to Save us after our experience in the Fallen Nature is finished, so when we go to the new Pure-bred Planet, we will have the knowledge of what the sex act does to Colonized Planets and Pure-bred Human Life on planets.

Dolores Lear

I have the book from the library, "Jesus of Nazareth" by Pope Benedict XVI.

Forward. "(Books by some authors on Jesus in the Gospels).
Through the man Jesus, the, God was made visible, and hence our eyes were able to behold the perfect man. But the situation started to change in the 1950s. the gap between the "Historical Jesus" and the "Christ of faith" grew wider and the two visibly fell apart. But what can faith in Jesus as the Christ possibly mean, in Jesus as the Son of the living God, if the 'man' Jesus was so completely different from the picture that the Evangelists painted of him and that the Church, on the evidence of the Gospels, takes as the basis of her preaching?" -
"All these attempts have produced a common result: the impression that we have very little certain knowledge of Jesus and that only at a later stage did faith in his divinity shape the image we have of him. This impression has by now penetrated deeply into the minds of the Christian people at large. This is a dramatic situation for faith, because its point of reference is being placed in doubt: Intimate friendship with Jesus, on which everything depends, is in danger of clutching at thin air."

"Jesus in the Gospels: A Biblical Christology" by Rudolf Schnackenburg: "Without anchoring in God, the person of Jesus remains shadowy, unreal, and unexplainable" (p. 322).

"This is also the point around which I will construct my own book. It sees Jesus in light of his communion with the Father, which is the true center of his personality; without it, we cannot understand him at all, and it is from this center that he makes himself present to us still today."

This book is only the first book.
"In part Two I hope also to be able to include the chapter on the infancy narratives, which I have postponed for now."

corbin

Great Quote Dolores! Of course, what else other than brilliance should we expect from our Pontiff?

Just Thinking

Luke 14:10-11
But when you are invited, take the lowest place, so that when your host comes, he will say to you, 'Friend, move up to a better place.' Then you will be honored in the presence of all your fellow guests. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."

Patricia

Didn't we just have a blog on the higher divorce statistics in the more conservative religions? That would seem to contradict the prof's rather unscientific assertions. I do happen to believe that a shared faith and the togetherness fostered by church attendance can help a marriage.......but there are probably also the cases where it is nothing more than a way to mask or avoid marital problems, too.
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It's really Catholic business, as to whether or not they offer sainthood to Pius XII. My only concern with immediate declaration, is that it could take longer to publish papers that painted him in a bad light, if those papers exist. Worse, there would be more motivation to bury or destroy evidence.

Ron

The Jewish obsession with blaming the Pope for the Holocaust is ridiculous. Can anyone name anything the Pope has stopped in the past 100 years? I'm not sure what Bill expects to find in the Vatican archives. Something along the lines of a letter which begins, "Dear Adolph, way to go, buddy."

If this document is found, what do the Jews want to do about it? Disband the Catholic religion? Jewish obsession with vengence, and hatred for all Christians, is driving them to become like the Nazis.

Patricia

"Jewish obsession with vengence, and hatred for all Christians, is driving them to become like the Nazis."

Yes. Well. Please let me know when they start lining people up for the gas chambers. There may be a Lutheran or Catholic who deserves a special bump up to the head of the queue.

corbin

Patricia, go on over to Israel and watch National Leftism at play.

"The facts on the ground, when not obscured by one or another Zionist rationalization, show that the Zionists are the worst anti-Semites in the world today, oppressing a Semitic people as no nation has done since the Nazis." -- Jewish professor Bertell Olman


Question: Are Palestinians semitic?

Patricia

Ron, how many Jews do you know? How many do you converse with in an average week? I'm really curious. WHERE do you get your info on Judaism? WHAT allows you to make these sweeping and all-encompassing statements about the people and tribe?

If anyone says, 'I love God,' yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen (1 John 4:20)

Michael

Question: Are Palestinians semitic?

Correct

Patricia

Nice attempts to sidestep the central issue of the day. Which is whether a Pope, whose involvement in the Holocaust is being questioned, deserves to be made a saint......or even called, "His Holiness."

corbin

I don't think anyone is thinking that he is "involved" in the Holocaust. What you say implies something more direct. The issue is the archives I am guessing. Should they be opened beforehand or not. The article is saying to just go ahead and canonize one of the greatest Popes in 500 years so we can put this issue to rest. Even if the archives show any political decision on the Pope's part that we disagree with, if no one can bring any concrete negative facts against Pius XII beforehand, maybe they should all just shut up and let the Catholics canonize a dear Pope. After he is canonized (with requisite miracles and scrutiny of course) the issue will go away.
I don't see why the Catholics are always supposed to apologize to people (like the SPLC) who not only disagree with the Church but also have no respect for its beliefs. The Catholics have plenty of saints that were crusaders or victims of secular humanism as in France and I dont' think Catholics should for one second apologize for their rich heritage whether or not Jews, Protestants, Muslims, or commie liberals were involved, and by involved, I mean directly.

Rich B

I'm not sure of the place of canonization of saints in the Catholic Church, but I believe that the "canon" (Greek "measure") of a person's life should be a way of measuring our own life in the Gospel. The canonized saint should place before us a sanctified human who bore fruit from the Gospel. We, then, can measure our own lives next to theirs.

One has to be careful of canonizing a saint who will be a stumbling-block to others. On the one hand, if the fruit of the candidate's life in the Gospel (loving the neighbor, helping the poor, humility, etc.) offends those who are against the Gospel, I don't think it's a problem. On the other hand, if the person's principle accomplishments are not related to the Gospel and offend others, then maybe the others are properly offended.

No one's life will be perfect. One can always find some problem with a human being, especially now when so much is documented and archived. The question is whether by and large the person's life exemplified a life in the Gospel. The answer will not be black or white in most cases, though. So I'm glad no one asked me if he's a saint or not.

Dolores Lear

Patricia.
Thanks for the Bible verse,
1 John 4:20.

That is what I have been trying to say.

If we Love God and Jesus, why do Christians kill their own Christian Brothers/Sisters, and their neighbors, who are also Children of God? What is the reason for killing and war, for anyone that Loves God? Is all people on Earth liars?

Are we lying about loving God when we kill or approve of killing?

Ron

"WHERE do you get your info on Judaism? WHAT allows you to make these sweeping and all-encompassing statements about the people and tribe?"

I get a lot of my information about Jews from this blog. Why? Have you heard anything here that would indicate to you that Jews don't blame the Pope for not doing enough to stop the Holocaust? Are you saying Bill is wrong in his assertions? He's studied Judiasm for many years and he appears 99.99 percent convinced that Christians are partly to blame for the Holocaust. If you have information that many Jews don't blame the Pope and Christianity for the Holocaust, please post it so I won't be getting just one-sided information from many of the folks on this blog.

Ron

"I don't think anyone is thinking that he is "involved" in the Holocaust."

Corbin, I wouldn't be this generous to some folks on the blog. I believe they definitely believe the Pope was INVOLVED in the holocaust, and if he wasn't, then certain millions of Catholics and Christians were INVOLVED in the holocaust. I don't think the Jewish lobby and their sympathiziers will be happy until the Catholic Church and other denominations admit their failures and complicity in writing and promise to never again assert any Christian authority over moral issues. They want Christians to grovel and wallow in their collective guilt and crawl under a rock and shut up and never be heard from again. If this is done, they MIGHT be happy.

corbin

I guess I was trying to give the benefit of the doubt. But, like you, I don't think there is really any doubt to give in the first place. Looking back, it is more clear to me that those people want Christians to almost admit that their religion is wrong because it is not either Jewish nor is it secular humanism. They mask it, but that seems to me to be the idea.

Ron

For many atheists, agnostics, secular humanists, et.al., to be Christian is to be anti-semetic. It's automatic, unless you're a member of a mainlilne denomination which believes Jews, Muslims, Christians, etc., etc. worship the same God and that all sincere people are on correct paths to God.

Now, here in Kansas City we learn that the secular humanists have re-defined "racism" to mean anyone who believes strongly that illegal immigration must be stopped.

It's the same principle, really. If you believe anything that goes against the beliefs of some minority group, then you are an anti-semite or a racist. The assumption is that whatever members of a minority group believe is the correct belief, and anyone that disagrees with it must be a racist or anti-semetic. It's automatic...end of discussion.

So, if someone believes ILLEGAL immigration must be stopped, they are racist.

If someone doesn't support the Jewish belief that Christians in general and the Pope in particular is partially responsible for the Holocaust, they are anti-semetic. It's automatic...end of discussion.

Patricia

"I don't think the Jewish lobby and their sympathizers will be happy until the Catholic Church and other denominations admit their failures and complicity in writing and promise to never again assert any Christian authority over moral issues. They want Christians to grovel and wallow in their collective guilt and crawl under a rock and shut up and never be heard from again. If this is done, they MIGHT be happy."

To the contrary. This isn't about "all Christians", Ron. This is about one dead Pope and the fact that SOME people are of the OPINION that moral authority means taking great care not to canonize someone whose works may not warrant such canonization.

The most damning accusations of Pius XII came not from Jews or Protestants, but from the very Catholic author John Cornwall.

Ron

"it is more clear to me that those people want Christians to almost admit that their religion is wrong"

Exactly, only they put a different spin on it. They want us to admit that it's just as likely that all other religions are right. It so much more palatable to everyone that way. We all can walk around secure in the belief that no matter what we believe, we're all right because no one can prove the other is wrong. Nirvana is within reach, if only they can get Christians to go along with this idea. Many mainliners have caved in and have gone along to get along. That God many Christians refuse to do so.

Ron

"The most damning accusations of Pius XII came not from Jews or Protestants, but from the very Catholic author John Cornwall."

"Damming accusations" are easy to make. Based on what Bill and others have written here in this blog, it appears they don't quite have ANY hard evidence that the Pope collaborated with Adolph Hitler to kill six million Jews. So, they go with accusations, insinuations and conjecture. Same thing, right?

Patricia

"They want us to admit that it's just as likely that all other religions are right."

No. We want you to admit that our religion is just as right to us as yours is to you.

"For many atheists, agnostics, secular humanists, et.al., to be Christian is to be anti-semetic. "

Could we get some facts? Many? How many? I personally think that there's something of a love affair happening between many Christian groups and Jews and Israel.

"If someone doesn't support the Jewish belief that Christians in general and the Pope in particular is partially responsible for the Holocaust, they are anti-semetic."

Let's just get a show of bloggy-hands. How many believe this assertion? I don't.

Ron

"Let's just get a show of bloggy-hands. How many believe this assertion? I don't."

I'm glad to hear that you don't believe this, Patricia. You must have had a change of heart. A few months ago, you and Keith told me multiple times Germany was primarily Catholic and Lutheran, and that millions of Germans WERE complicit in the Holocaust. You and Keith also asserted that Martin Luther, who had been dead for almost 500 years, also was to blame for the Holocaust. You don't remember this?

Patricia

German Nazis who gassed and tortured Jews are not "Christians in general", Ron. This is a quite specific political group during a specific historic era, comprised of primarily German and Italian Lutherans and Catholics.

I stand by the assertion that Luther's antisemitic writings served as a powerful role model for followers for a good long time and probably contributed to antisemitism in Nazi Germany and the Holocaust.

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